Maria Butina to plead guilty and help prosecutors

[DOLOOP]

@DOLOOP

Expect a lot of deflection in this thread.

The money thing is very interesting. I look forward to the plea documents to see if any of that is covered.

Very odd how the NRA was flush with cash just a couple years ago, enough to throw 30 million in support of Trump, but in a very short time is killing off NRA TV and putting a number of publication on the chopping block.

Yes, I predict much in the way of deflections.

Bump.

[Demon]

Where is the line to be drawn? Sons? Brothers? Cousins? Crazy uncles?

[Munimula1]

@WuWei

@Demon

Because it makes little sense to have background checks on some sales but not on all.

But you don’t know.

You want me to run a background on my son?

Odd- that’s exactly what Adam Lanza’s parents said.

[Demon]

How many mass shooters bought at a gun show?

[Munimula1]

@Demon

How many mass shooters bought at a gun show?

Well, for starters: (Columbine) Robyn Anderson, a friend of Klebold and Harris, bought the shotguns and the Hi-Point 9mm Carbine at The Tanner Gun Show in December of 1998 from unlicensed sellers.

[Demon]

I thought that was the case, but I wasn’t sure she bought it at a gun show. Thanks!

[Munimula1]

Then there is Orlando : [

Omar Mateen Probed for Terror Ties but Legally Purchased Weapons

](Omar Mateen Probed for Terror Ties but Legally Purchased Weapons)

[WuWei]

@Demon

It’s hard to say.

I agree, very hard. Do you think guns made them crazy?

[Demon]

That’s silly.

[WuWei]

@Demon

Where is the line to be drawn? Sons? Brothers? Cousins? Crazy uncles?

The line is drawn. The law is clear, as is the Constitution.

What you want will not have the effect you desire.

[WuWei]

@Demon

That’s silly.

In what way?

[Demon]

Seems to happen fairly often. I think the Las Vegas shooter bought his legally, too.

[Demon]

Hard to say it wouldn’t have at least some effect.

I’m out of here for the evening.

[Munimula1]

Let’s look at Seung-Hui Cho. Cho had previously been diagnosed with a severe [anxiety disorder]and was accused of two female students.After an investigation, a Virginia special justice declared Cho mentally illand ordered him to attend treatment; however, because he was not institutionalized, he was still allowed to purchase guns.

Of course.

[WuWei]

@Demon

Seems to happen fairly often. I think the Las Vegas shooter bought his legally, too.

Of course he did.

[Munimula1]

Now how about the star of the Sutherland Springs church shooting, Devin Patrick Kelley. Kelley was prohibited by law from purchasing or possessing firearms and ammunition due to a domestic violence conviction in a court-martial while in the [United States Air Force. The Air Force failed to record the conviction in the FBI database.

■■■?

[WuWei]

He was twice accused of stalking female students in 2005, but neither victim filed charges. A suicidal statement by Cho to a suitemate led to him being taken to a psychiatric hospital in December 2005, but he was released with orders to receive therapy as an outpatient.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biography.com/.amp/people/seung-hui-cho-235991

So they didn’t press charges. The medical system cut him loose.

He had at least one background check run.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/gun.laws/index.html

[Munimula1]

Now this one stinks: Thousand Oaks shooter David Long. Police and a mental health crisis team visited Long in 2017 for his irate and irrational behavior, but they decided not to detain him at a psychiatric facility. A high school teacher raised claims that Long had physically assaulted her as a student, but was encouraged to not push the incident to not endanger his future in the Marine Corps. In her statement, the teacher alleged that Long had issues long before his military service.

Getting firearms? NO prob at all.

[WuWei]

Choi was a gamer. Counter Strike.

[WuWei]

@Munimula1

Getting firearms? NO prob at all.

Why should it be? Apparently he already had the pistol.