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Limited battery life and storage capacity.

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That microscope…attempting to put so much, into soooo little…and blindly focus. :sunglasses:

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Police will quit or strike if there are changes that result in a large loss of income.

A related question is whether organizers of BLM protests should have to pay for police protection and insurance?

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war on cops continues…

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Make the union responsible for the wrongful death lawsuits and not the taxpayer. Cops will think differently when a wrongful death takes one million from their pension fund.

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A microscope’s purpose is to reveal what is hidden beneath the surface…actually to reveal the “building blocks” of a macro structure

You are the one who suggested going after cops who engage in brutality would create “less macho” cops.

You are the one who revealed a set of hidden building blocks that create the macro edifice of your beliefs.

Uncovering hidden assumptions is a very important thing to do in debate…but I can understand why you would be uncomfortable with that.

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Yeah, that’s not happening. Nor should it.

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That sounds… awful.

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Maybe the model should be to deescalate and do not dominate as an approach to policing the public.

look at the Sir Robert Peel’s 9 Principles of Policing these being:

  1. To prevent crime and disorder, as an alternative to their repression by military force and severity of legal punishment.
  2. To recognize always that the power of the police to fulfil their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions and behavior and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect.
  3. To recognize always that to secure and maintain the respect and approval of the public means also the securing of the willing co-operation of the public in the task of securing observance of laws.
  4. To recognize always that the extent to which the co-operation of the public can be secured diminishes proportionately the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion for achieving police objectives.
  5. To seek and preserve public favour, not by pandering to public opinion; but by constantly demonstrating absolutely impartial service to law, in complete independence of policy, and without regard to the justice or injustice of the substance of individual laws, by ready offering of individual service and friendship to all members of the public without regard to their wealth or social standing, by ready exercise of courtesy and friendly good humour; and by ready offering of individual sacrifice in protecting and preserving life.
  6. To use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient to obtain public co-operation to an extent necessary to secure observance of law or to restore order, and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective.
  7. To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
  8. To recognize always the need for strict adherence to police-executive functions, and to refrain from even seeming to usurp the powers of the judiciary of avenging individuals or the State, and of authoritatively judging guilt and punishing the guilty.
  9. To recognize always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them.

these are the rules the Met follows and the number of deaths by cop are minimal. I have to say who is the more courageous cop the one that resembles robo cop or a cop armed only with a baton and a maybe a taser

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I also think that Congress should not use a taxpayer funded account to pay out sexual harassment suits. There had been legislation to put an end to it - I believe around $17 million had been paid out to date - but I don't know the status of it.

An example of who is on the hook for settlements is illustrated in a case that cropped up at the southern NJ shore a few years ago. A retired officer, working in a supervisory role for beach badge patrol was sued for sexual harassment - apparently it was the city (that is, the city’s taxpayers, since the government has no money except what they’re given) that had to pay out the $200,000. I don’t think I should be on the hook for any publicly paid or pensioned worker’s misbehavior.https://literock969.com/ocean-city-paid-200k-settlement-in-beach-badge-worker-sex-suit-against-retired-cop/

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The city was found liable for its actions that lead to the plaintiffs damage.
Why shouldn’t the city pay for its actions?

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They wouldn’t even wait for that. As soon as such a proposal was passed they’d walk and completely justifiably so.

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Its also impossible with current tech.

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We’re not going to hire enough officers for that type of policing to work in the US.

In order for that kind of policing to work you need to be able to dominate in numbers of five to ten to one or more.

Moreover if we went to that model we’d get a hell of a lot more cops seriously injured and killed by armed subjects.

Sounds great in theory but it would never work here.

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No, their liability carriers cover those payouts.

Eventually though the rest of us end up picking up a share of it in the form of higher premiums.

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Try again. I responded to the OP who used that scenario. When you just make things up as you go, it’s just like CNN…it’s fake. :sunglasses:

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Yep, whichever politicians house the illegal is hiding in, that politician should pay.

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We need to review our videos for report accuracy. If I make a DUI arrest its very important that I correctly put in my report that he crossed the line exactly 3 times rather than 2 or 4 which I might do if I’m going by memory. Or the exact ways he failed the sobriety test - did he step off on step 4 or step 5 - if I get it wrong in my report the defense attorney will accuse me of lying. Gotta make sure we get statements right from victims, witnesses, and suspects right with exactly what they said rather than what we think we remember them saying as sometimes key word differences are key and in a 20 to 30 minute interview your not going to remember verbatim a lot of stuff. So we have to download to view our videos.

It also wouldn’t work because if we leave them there at the end of shift we don’t have them at the beginning of next. Many PDs like mine give officers take home cars. So I drive to work in uniform in my car and its extremely common for the oncoming shift to start taking calls on the way to work to keep the outgoing shift from having to stay late. If I left it to download at the end of the prior shift then I don’t have it when I start taking calls like this.

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Trigger Warning…thanks for that response. It makes perfect sense. Thanks for clarifying.

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No problem. What I keep trying to make clear to people is that cops love body cams. Ask cops what the best piece of equipment they’ve received in the last 20 years and bodycams will be #1 or #2 on everyone’s lists (rifles being the other). Thanks to bodycams the days of being barraged with false complaints are over as they exonerate us 99.9% of the time.

People just have to be realistic about their limitations (many of which they won’t realize), about the very real and credible reasons officers won’t have them sometimes, about the privacy issues for both officers and victims that arise if you think always on is a good idea, etc. If I’m interviewing a child molestation victim or a rape victim I’m not recording that interview on bodycam so that the defendant can later get a video copy in discovery and get to relive his crime in his head. I’ll record it with a digital recorder but he doesn’t get to see them in their trauma.