Madison’s view on today’s Senate Impeachment Trial ___ “tyranny”

johnwk2 · 2021-02-11T20:11:32.860Z

conan:

moonshine:

its not that they are spineless. they put party above country. even worse

That’s rich…when libs voted out a person that put our country first.

It is now crystal clear in my mind that the 56 Senators who voted to move forward with an impeachment trial for Trump, were never serious about punishing him for “high crimes and misdemeanors” as alleged in the House’s ARTICLES OF IMPEACHEMENT.

For those unaware, the only punishment provided for a successful impeachment trial is as follows:

“Judgement in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States”

The fact remains, any real punishment for an office holder who may have committed the act of inciting an insurrection, is to be prosecuted by our judicial system and then punished as prescribed under Title 18. This is where the real punishment is to be administered!

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection.

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Of course, if real punishment is to be had as found under Title 18 and implemented through our judicial system, the antics now being pulled by the Democrat Party Senate Leadership [edited tapes, lies, distortions, innuendos and other tricks to inflame passion rather than establish facts], is unavailable to these communist/socialist loving revolutionaries.

As to the applicable definitions to prosecute for an incitement to riot we turn to 18 U.S. Code § 2102. Definitions

(a)

As used in this chapter, the term “riot” means a public disturbance involving (1) an act or acts of violence by one or more persons part of an assemblage of three or more persons, which act or acts shall constitute a clear and present danger of, or shall result in, damage or injury to the property of any other person or to the person of any other individual or (2) a threat or threats of the commission of an act or acts of violence by one or more persons part of an assemblage of three or more persons having, individually or collectively, the ability of immediate execution of such threat or threats, where the performance of the threatened act or acts of violence would constitute a clear and present danger of, or would result in, damage or injury to the property of any other person or to the person of any other individual.

(b)

As used in this chapter, the term “to incite a riot”, or “to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot”, includes, but is not limited to, urging or instigating other persons to riot, but shall not be deemed to mean the mere oral or written (1) advocacy of ideas or (2) expression of belief, not involving advocacy of any act or acts of violence or assertion of the rightness of, or the right to commit, any such act or acts.

So, as it turns out, the obvious purpose of the 56 Senators who moved forward with an impeachment trial is to inflame the passions and emotions of the American People, and divide them, using edited tapes, lies, distortions, innuendos and other tricks, which are not available under a Title 18 prosecution.

If anyone ought to be prosecuted, it should be the 56 communist/socialist loving revolutionary Senators who have used their office of public trust to divide the American people into two irreconcilable forces.

JWK

First the President is cut off from twitter, then Sen. Hawley’s book is cancelled, then the WalkAway Facebook page is taken down, Parler is removed, and even Mike Lindell, our pillow guy, is banned from Twitter by its socialist revolutionary control freaks. And now ‘Walkaway’ founder Brandon Straka is arrested by Biden’s FBI. Is it not self-evident a dangerous and un-American pattern is developing to cancel patriotic conservative speech?

wonderingrover · 2021-02-11T23:11:36.235Z

johnwk2:

wonderingrover:

johnwk2:

moonshine:

wonderingrover:

He won’t be convicted. The republicans in the Senate are too spineless for that.

its not that they are spineless. they put party above country. even worse

He won’t be convicted because the only thing being established at the trial is there were countless criminal acts participated in by a couple hundred rioters, and zero evidence of the President actually inciting an insurrection on January 6th.

As a matter of fact, we are now learning that prior to Trump’s event on Jan. 6th, plans were made by a handful of provocateurs to instigate an insurrection, and the warnings were ignored by Nancy Pelosi, even though the U.S. Capitol Police Chief request that the D.C. National Guard be on standby. But such calls were ignored by Nancy, Botox, Pelosi.

JWK

There can be no “unity” between today’s socialist and globalist revolutionaries who control the Democrat Party Leadership, and those who support a meritocracy and a free market, free enterprise system!

Of course it was being planned. They were there because Trump kept tweeting stuff about January 6 being a “big day.” And then when they got there, he told them to fight like hell. They came answering Trump’s call, and they fought answering Trump’s call.

They? Are you talking about the handful of provocateurs who saw this as an opportunity to instigate a riot and make Trump look bad? Who is the “they” you are referring to?

JWK

Wow - there are people that actually believe that. I’ve got to hand it to Trump - he’s got to be the best snake oil salesman in history.

johnwk2 · 2021-02-12T13:53:08.267Z

wonderingrover:

johnwk2:

wonderingrover:

johnwk2:

moonshine:

wonderingrover:

He won’t be convicted. The republicans in the Senate are too spineless for that.

its not that they are spineless. they put party above country. even worse

He won’t be convicted because the only thing being established at the trial is there were countless criminal acts participated in by a couple hundred rioters, and zero evidence of the President actually inciting an insurrection on January 6th.

As a matter of fact, we are now learning that prior to Trump’s event on Jan. 6th, plans were made by a handful of provocateurs to instigate an insurrection, and the warnings were ignored by Nancy Pelosi, even though the U.S. Capitol Police Chief request that the D.C. National Guard be on standby. But such calls were ignored by Nancy, Botox, Pelosi.

JWK

There can be no “unity” between today’s socialist and globalist revolutionaries who control the Democrat Party Leadership, and those who support a meritocracy and a free market, free enterprise system!

Of course it was being planned. They were there because Trump kept tweeting stuff about January 6 being a “big day.” And then when they got there, he told them to fight like hell. They came answering Trump’s call, and they fought answering Trump’s call.

They? Are you talking about the handful of provocateurs who saw this as an opportunity to instigate a riot and make Trump look bad? Who is the “they” you are referring to?

JWK

Wow - there are people that actually believe that. I’ve got to hand it to Trump - he’s got to be the best snake oil salesman in history.

Instead of blowing smoke, or simply being ignorant of what happened, why don’t you start HERE which is an FBI report documenting a radical group engaging in a coordinated and riotous activity at the Jan. 6th event?

In addition, you might also want to check out various news stories confirming pipe bombs were planted in the area the night before the Jan. 6th event.

Finally, the infamous John Sullivan, a BLM activist, was also agitating at the Jan. 6th event.

JWK

There can be no “unity” between socialist Leaders who lure voters with a piece of free government cheese, and Leaders who support and defend rights associated with property ownership, a meritocracy, and a free market, free enterprise system!

Smyrna · 2021-02-12T13:57:51.236Z

Camp:

If the economy doesn’t tank…I will be delighted.

Not sure how that is possible with the Covid fright showing no sign of abating…even WITH a vaccine??

The economy totally crashed and then came back in several months under Trump, during the worst pandemic in 100 years. Now things are better, a vaccine is inoculating millions but even still…under Biden and his economic crap…I’m just biden my time till everything financially goes to hell.

Ben_Natuf · 2021-02-12T14:57:55.853Z

subornation of perjury is not a process crime.

westaussie · 2021-02-12T15:35:18.107Z

It does seem amazing that there is a push to support the notion that Trump’s words from 6/02/2021 were in a vacuum and nothing that he had said or tweeted prior to the 6/01/2021 should be taken into consideration.

westaussie · 2021-02-12T15:41:05.226Z

My point was well made.

Guilds · 2021-02-12T15:41:14.435Z

And the king of false equivalence strikes again.

westaussie · 2021-02-12T15:43:25.425Z

If countries get the COVID-19 pandemic under control then their economy will bounce back as has happened already.

Guilds · 2021-02-12T15:44:15.356Z

Smyrna:

Yep and in my opinion, their actions are criminal. Our current government has an evil streak that’s widening quickly.

That is one upside down world you inhabit. Hope the weather is good.

Smyrna · 2021-02-12T15:46:25.675Z

Guilds:

That is one upside down world you inhabit. Hope the weather is good.

Life is good regardless of the weather because I’ve built my house with bricks.

FreeAndClear · 2021-02-12T15:48:13.943Z

Ben_Natuf:

subornation of perjury is not a process crime.

He didn’t suborn perjury. He perjured himself.

Guilds · 2021-02-12T15:54:09.699Z

Smyrna:

…under Biden and his economic crap…I’m just biden my time till everything financially goes to hell.

You mean like how Newt predicted, after Clinton passed a 3% tax hike on the rich?

And within a couple years, the economy grew by record numbers?

Of course those tax hikes did not cause the economy to grow. But it certainly did not hamper the economy either.

Your doom and gloom is noted.

Guilds · 2021-02-12T15:57:01.000Z

Smyrna:

Life is good regardless of the weather because I’ve built my house with bricks.

You didn’t build that.

Smyrna · 2021-02-12T15:58:39.668Z

Guilds:

You didn’t build that.

That was a good one. Gotta go and stimulate the economy. Have a super, duper day my friend.

wonderingrover · 2021-02-12T16:47:02.147Z

westaussie:

It does seem amazing that there is a push to support the notion that Trump’s words from 6/02/2021 were in a vacuum and nothing that he had said or tweeted prior to the 6/01/2021 should be taken into consideration.

Yes, it seems as though there is a certain element now that if Trump shot someone on 5th Avenue, not only would they not hold him accountable - they would condemn the victim as a traitor because he failed to move out of the way of the bullet fast enough in an attempt to make Trump look bad.

And then they would condemn any news agencies of reporting the shooting as FAKE NEWS!!!

johnwk2 · 2021-02-12T17:05:41.274Z

westaussie:

My point was well made.

Your opinions are not in harmony with the statutory law being applied to the assertion that Trump incited a riot:

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection.

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Regarding definitions under title 18 the following is applicable:

(a)

As used in this chapter, the term “riot” means a public disturbance involving (1) an act or acts of violence by one or more persons part of an assemblage of three or more persons, which act or acts shall constitute a clear and present danger of, or shall result in, damage or injury to the property of any other person or to the person of any other individual or (2) a threat or threats of the commission of an act or acts of violence by one or more persons part of an assemblage of three or more persons having, individually or collectively, the ability of immediate execution of such threat or threats, where the performance of the threatened act or acts of violence would constitute a clear and present danger of, or would result in, damage or injury to the property of any other person or to the person of any other individual.

(b)

As used in this chapter, the term “to incite a riot”, or “to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot”, includes, but is not limited to, urging or instigating other persons to riot, but shall not be deemed to mean the mere oral or written (1) advocacy of ideas or (2) expression of belief, not involving advocacy of any act or acts of violence or assertion of the rightness of, or the right to commit, any such act or acts.

JWK

The Biden/Harris socialist healthcare plan will tax America’s productive citizens and our retired Senior citizens to provide healthcare to the 1.5 million DACA and 3.6 million Dreamers in our country ___ LINK

westaussie · 2021-02-12T17:13:16.925Z

Doesn’t the USA constitution and only the USA constitution outline the impeachment procedures and the responsibilities of the House of Reps and Senate?

Ben_Natuf · 2021-02-12T17:42:22.794Z

false.

3 charges

perjury
subornation of perjury
obstruction of justice

FreeAndClear · 2021-02-12T17:46:17.963Z

There were two articles of impeachment… Obstruction of justice and perjury. Not 3

Or are you talking about something else. The obstruction of justice charge however included subornation of perjury so i was wrong.