Loudoun County Va

[SixFoot]

@Paul_Do

Are these the equivalent of races?

Yes. Our race is Sapien, and most of us are, at minimum, bi-racial (Neanderthal, Denisovan, etc…).

[JayJay]

@zantax

@JayJay

@zantax

@Dem

@zantax

Just linked a fish we thought died out 66 million years ago that still exists so…

Right. The evidence changed showing us we were once wrong.

That still doesn’t mean one should believe in things without evidence.

One should also not prematurely rule things out based on an obviously incomplete fossil record.

The 65 million year gap is pervasive.

Unless there is some other compelling evidence that shows the timelines are wrong, there’s no reason to consider the alternative.

And we shouldn’t teach it as “It says so in Genesis”.

No it isn’t pervasive, I just showed you a fish we thought went extinct 66 million years ago that is still swimming around. That 100 percent disproves your thesis. I said nothing about teaching Genesis.

No it disproves nothing.

The coelacanth still being alive today doesn’t ovethrow our understanding of timelines.

[zantax]

@JayJay

@zantax

@JayJay

@zantax

@Dem

@zantax

Just linked a fish we thought died out 66 million years ago that still exists so…

Right. The evidence changed showing us we were once wrong.

That still doesn’t mean one should believe in things without evidence.

One should also not prematurely rule things out based on an obviously incomplete fossil record.

The 65 million year gap is pervasive.

Unless there is some other compelling evidence that shows the timelines are wrong, there’s no reason to consider the alternative.

And we shouldn’t teach it as “It says so in Genesis”.

No it isn’t pervasive, I just showed you a fish we thought went extinct 66 million years ago that is still swimming around. That 100 percent disproves your thesis. I said nothing about teaching Genesis.

No it disproves nothing.

The coelacanth still being alive today doesn’t ovethrow our understanding of timelines.

Lol, of course it does, our previous timeline had it extinct.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@Jezcoe

@Jezcoe

As I understand it whales evolved from a dog-like mammal. In the course of human history as far as I know, no human has observed a dog-like mammal in the wild giving birth to an offspring say with mutated stunted legs. Then observe it’s mutant offspring survive and then reproduce an offspring with the very same mutation, etc.

Because that it not how it works.

Evolutionary theory describes changes over populations, not individuals.

The idea that it requires special monsters to mark speciation is a fallacious one.

Is not mutation the proposed mechanism for change? Regarding changes in populations, are you saying that the theory proposes mass mutations in virtually the entire population? What ever the case nothing like that as far as I know has ever been observed, especially considering all the morphological changes that have occur in the existing species skeletal structure, organs, epidermis, instincts, etc.

[Paul_Do]

@zantax

@JayJay

@zantax

@Dem

@zantax

Just linked a fish we thought died out 66 million years ago that still exists so…

Right. The evidence changed showing us we were once wrong.

That still doesn’t mean one should believe in things without evidence.

One should also not prematurely rule things out based on an obviously incomplete fossil record.

The 65 million year gap is pervasive.

Unless there is some other compelling evidence that shows the timelines are wrong, there’s no reason to consider the alternative.

And we shouldn’t teach it as “It says so in Genesis”.

No it isn’t pervasive, I assume you mean persuasive, I just showed you a fish we thought went extinct 66 million years ago that is still swimming around. That 100 percent disproves your thesis. I said nothing about teaching Genesis.

The crocodile and ant also have been around in very similar forms for 10s of millions of years as well.

Not every population must change. Also it’s very hard to find stuff in the deep ocean.

[komobu]

@Paul_Do

People believe tons of idiocy, the issue is teaching something on the same level of flat earth theory in schools and then wondering why China is blowing past us.

No… the issue of why china (and the rest of Asia) is blowing past us is because Chinese parents by and large, put an emphasis on learning and education. Fooling around in school is not tolerated. Where we have been putting an emphasis on wokeism and feelings where everyone should pass and no one should be held back. As a result, every one is passed through, and the class is taught at the speed of the weakest student, and math is racist.

[SixFoot]

Oddly enough, we used to dominate innovation and technology before math was racist.

[SixFoot]

@Paul_Do

Also it’s very hard to find stuff in the deep ocean.

Same with the shallow ocean. Dwarka comes to mind.

[JayJay]

@SixFoot

Oddly enough, we used to dominate innovation and technology before math was racist.

Oddly enough, we used to dominate a lot of things before half the country’s population decided to embrace unreality (as evidenced by this post to which I’m responding).

[SixFoot]

@JayJay

@SixFoot

Oddly enough, we used to dominate innovation and technology before math was racist.

Oddly enough, we used to dominate a lot of things before half the country’s population decided to embrace unreality (as evidenced by this post to which I’m responding).

What’s the difference between us and Nature?

[Jezcoe]

@Eagle-Keeper

@Jezcoe

@Jezcoe

As I understand it whales evolved from a dog-like mammal. In the course of human history as far as I know, no human has observed a dog-like mammal in the wild giving birth to an offspring say with mutated stunted legs. Then observe it’s mutant offspring survive and then reproduce an offspring with the very same mutation, etc.

Because that it not how it works.

Evolutionary theory describes changes over populations, not individuals.

The idea that it requires special monsters to mark speciation is a fallacious one.

Is not mutation the proposed mechanism for change? Regarding changes in populations, are you saying that the theory proposes mass mutations in virtually the entire population? What ever the case nothing like that as far as I know has ever been observed, especially considering all the morphological changes that have occur in the existing species skeletal structure, organs, epidermis, instincts, etc.

If an expressed allele is beneficial to survival and propagation, then it will be likely passed on the next generation. Some mutations don’t even do anything, but will be randomly used later as in the Lenski long term e. coli experiment where one of the lines of e.coli gained the function of being able to metabolize citrate aerobically.

But as for other morphological changes, one can this in the recurrent laryngeal nerve. It is a nerve that activates the larynx. The path of the nerve makes sense in tetrapods… going from the brain past the heart to the gills. In mammals though, It goes from the brain, down to the heart and back up to the throat.

Without evolutionary theory, the path it takes makes no sense.

[Paul_Do]

@Eagle-Keeper

@Jezcoe

@Jezcoe

As I understand it whales evolved from a dog-like mammal. In the course of human history as far as I know, no human has observed a dog-like mammal in the wild giving birth to an offspring say with mutated stunted legs. Then observe it’s mutant offspring survive and then reproduce an offspring with the very same mutation, etc.

Because that it not how it works.

Evolutionary theory describes changes over populations, not individuals.

The idea that it requires special monsters to mark speciation is a fallacious one.

Is not mutation the proposed mechanism for change? Regarding changes in populations, are you saying that the theory proposes mass mutations in virtually the entire population? What ever the case nothing like that as far as I know has ever been observed, especially considering all the morphological changes that have occur in the existing species skeletal structure, organs, epidermis, instincts, etc.

You can see good examples of this in chimps vs bonobo.

In like 250,000 years look at how much the two have diveraged already.

Chimps are violent lm
uscular muscilar patrichal hunters that will kill competition without a second thought with alpha males having total control of breeding rights and no homosexual behavior while bonobos are peaceful, less muscular matriarchal and very gay. Sex between various ages and genders is very common.

They behave and look different yet in evolutionary terms broke apart very recently.

[Paul_Do]

@Jezcoe

@Eagle-Keeper

@Jezcoe

@Jezcoe

As I understand it whales evolved from a dog-like mammal. In the course of human history as far as I know, no human has observed a dog-like mammal in the wild giving birth to an offspring say with mutated stunted legs. Then observe it’s mutant offspring survive and then reproduce an offspring with the very same mutation, etc.

Because that it not how it works.

Evolutionary theory describes changes over populations, not individuals.

The idea that it requires special monsters to mark speciation is a fallacious one.

Is not mutation the proposed mechanism for change? Regarding changes in populations, are you saying that the theory proposes mass mutations in virtually the entire population? What ever the case nothing like that as far as I know has ever been observed, especially considering all the morphological changes that have occur in the existing species skeletal structure, organs, epidermis, instincts, etc.

If an expressed allele is beneficial to survival and propagation, then it will be likely passed on the next generation. Some mutations don’t even do anything, but will be randomly used later as in the Lenski long term e. coli experiment where one of the lines of e.coli gained the function of being able to metabolize citrate aerobically.

But as for other morphological changes, one can this in the recurrent laryngeal nerve. It is a nerve that activates the larynx. The path of the nerve makes sense in tetrapods… going from the brain past the heart to the gills. In mammals though, It goes from the brain, down to the heart and back up to the throat.

Without evolutionary theory, the path it takes makes no sense.

Amazing explanation!

[gooddad409]

@zantax

No, no, I am sure his purging of the military is nothing to worry about.

Of course not.

[komobu]

@JayJay

Oddly enough, we used to dominate a lot of things before half the country’s population decided to embrace unreality (as evidenced by this post to which I’m responding).

What “unreality” are you referring to? Is Christianity the “unreality” you are referring to? In the 50s and 60s, when Christianity was at an all time high in this country, we were dominating the most. Then because a very few didnt like it, They forced Prayer out of schools. A few years later and Carter set up a Department of Education, and we have been going down hill ever since.

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@Borgia_dude

@Supreme_War_Pig

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

@JayJay

@WuWei

@Dem

@YOSUP

So creationism is a possibility then?

Creationism isn’t science. It’s not something that can be tested. It’s just faith, without evidence.

Is it?

Present a falsifiable hypothesis of creation.

Present one of evolution.

If I found a fossil of a human in the same strata as a stegosaurus, evolution would be in big trouble.

If you found one? Are you a paleontologist?

Lol, no. If that fossil was found by anyone, evolution would be in trouble. I’m showing how evolution is falsifiable.

Gotcha.

[enki]

@Dem

Literally everything is possible, that doesn’t mean one should believe in something without the evidence.

That’s how they’re handeling the election audits too.

[Dem]

@komobu

@JayJay

Oddly enough, we used to dominate a lot of things before half the country’s population decided to embrace unreality (as evidenced by this post to which I’m responding).

What “unreality” are you referring to? Is Christianity the “unreality” you are referring to? In the 50s and 60s, when Christianity was at an all time high in this country, we were dominating the most. Then because a very few didnt like it, They forced Prayer out of schools. A few years later and Carter set up a Department of Education, and we have been going down hill ever since.

It’s a poverty thing. When taken into account, we do just about as well as other countries. When these ranking studies are done, due to our population, we have more students in poverty represented, which lowers the US overall ranking.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@Jezcoe

@Eagle-Keeper

Is not mutation the proposed mechanism for change? Regarding changes in populations, are you saying that the theory proposes mass mutations in virtually the entire population? What ever the case nothing like that as far as I know has ever been observed, especially considering all the morphological changes that have occur in the existing species skeletal structure, organs, epidermis, instincts, etc.

If an expressed allele is beneficial to survival and propagation, then it will be likely passed on the next generation. Some mutations don’t even do anything, but will be randomly used later as in the Lenski long term e. coli experiment where one of the lines of e.coli gained the function of being able to metabolize citrate aerobically.

But as for other morphological changes, one can this in the recurrent laryngeal nerve. It is a nerve that activates the larynx. The path of the nerve makes sense in tetrapods… going from the brain past the heart to the gills. In mammals though, It goes from the brain, down to the heart and back up to the throat.

Without evolutionary theory, the path it takes makes no sense.

Let me clarify, I’m not arguing for against any particular view. Personally as a ardent empiricist I tend to be agnostic on past events especially the farther back they are that cannot appeal to verifiable direct observation. For example, as far as I understand it there are historians who have differing views of the exploits of Wyatt Earp. Can we PROVE which is true? Not as far as I know?

Regarding evolution these are past events that do not have direct observation. Regarding your explanation that did not address my simple question regarding direct evidence of mutations causing significant beneficial morphological changes. For example, to go from a mammal that lives on land does not the heart have to change, does not the lungs have to change, does not the epidermis need to change, etc?

[Borgia_dude]

@zantax

@Borgia_dude

@zantax

@Borgia_dude

@YOSUP

Dinosaurs were mentioned in the book of job, wish I could ask him. But he has long left us.

So if dinosaurs were contemporaneous with humans, why have we never ever seen a human fossil in the same strata as a dinosaur?

Can’t be ruled out based on that, not everything gets fossilized.

Humans have been fossilized and dinosaurs have been fossilized. Why never together?

Because if it did happen it was likely a few species and not every species makes it into the fossils record. See my previous link, once thought to be extinct 66 million years ago.

You can take any hominid and still have the same question. Why none?