Looking Back at the 'Rona Hysteria

WuWei · 2023-05-19T12:10:00.075Z

JayJay:

But that last bit? Not sure it’s possible because it speaks to the big problem of government in an emergency. In an emergency, a government’s baser instincts to coerce and control get magnified.

Agreed. It’s in the etymology of the very word.

JayJay · 2023-05-19T12:16:38.588Z

Yes my mistake…human nature.

JayJay · 2023-05-19T12:18:13.167Z

If we end up creating AGI, then even machines might stop being depdenable…

WuWei · 2023-05-19T12:18:59.757Z

JayJay:

If we end up creating AGI, then even machines might stop being depdenable…

By our definition of “dependable”, very possible.

Piper · 2023-05-19T12:25:36.229Z

We learned that the CDC is useless. We employ 10600 at a cost of 1.1 billion.

JayJay · 2023-05-19T12:26:08.075Z

Piper:

We learned that the CDC is useless. We employ 10600 at a cost of 1.1 billion.

They aren’t useless.

Their leadership ■■■■■■ up.

Piper · 2023-05-19T12:27:05.505Z

JayJay:

They aren’t useless.

Their leadership ■■■■■■ up.

They caused more harm than good.

WuWei · 2023-05-19T12:27:39.936Z

Mmmmm. And the system of the CDC. The system of govmed.

It allowed one guy to run roughshod over everything.

WuWei · 2023-05-19T12:28:00.061Z

Piper:

JayJay:

They aren’t useless.

Their leadership ■■■■■■ up.

They caused more harm than good.

Fair statement.

Toll_Collector · 2023-05-19T13:18:28.712Z

Paul_Thomson:

GWH:

I see a failure of control, at least partial, this time, but we can do it better next time.

I see a fsilure of freedom this time, but we can do it better next time.

I’m not so confident. We may not have a lockdown, but some of these governors and mayors will do the exact same thing in regard to mandates, masks, and the like. They believe what they did worked. Just like when a dog barks at a passerby and they continue on their way. The dog thinks it was successful.

WuWei · 2023-05-19T13:22:37.555Z

They will lose the consent of the governed much more quickly next time.

Paul_Thomson · 2023-05-19T13:32:15.292Z

Toll_Collector:

Paul_Thomson:

I see a fsilure of freedom this time, but we can do it better next time.

I’m not so confident. We may not have a lockdown, but some of these governors and mayors will do the exact same thing in regard to mandates, masks, and the like. They believe what they did worked. Just like when a dog barks at a passerby and they continue on their way. The dog thinks it was successful.

Those who see through the pretense must speak up and demand to see the science that allegedly supports those mandates and the science arguing against them, before complying. Only when enough awake people declare the emperor naked will the sheep start to realise they are being duped.

It takes conscience and courage to beat this engineered mass formation psychosis.

JayJay · 2023-05-19T13:37:19.281Z

WuWei:

Mmmmm. And the system of the CDC. The system of govmed.

It allowed one guy to run roughshod over everything.

Yes there was no speaking truth to power.

No one to remind them speed was more important than perfection…there were plenty of test kits available that had been developed both overseas and in local labs, but the CDC thought they could make a better one.

We didn’t need better test kits. We needed test kits.

That plus system failure.

BuzzFeed News

The Government Asked Us Not To Release Records From The CDC’s First Failed...

Federal investigation records obtained by BuzzFeed News show how one of the most pivotal mistakes of the pandemic fell on an overburdened CDC lab with only three full-time employees.

JayJay · 2023-05-19T13:44:06.484Z

Speaking of government hubris…this excerpt from the BuzzFeed article…

The full investigation documents include about 50 pages of interviews conducted by two lawyers with the HHS Office of the General Counsel, stamped “Attorney-Client Privileged,”

Um…Federal Government? You can stamp whatever you want on those documents…but the law makes them public records no matter what you stamp on them.

Ben_Natuf · 2023-05-19T14:38:17.802Z

JayJay:

The problem with masking is personal behavior was not taken into account.

and the fact that every single mandate and suggestion to wear them was based on anecdotal evidence and coincidental evidence, and every actual study concluded they did much of nothing.

zantax · 2023-05-19T14:39:58.368Z

Ben_Natuf:

JayJay:

The problem with masking is personal behavior was not taken into account.

and the fact that every single mandate and suggestion to wear them was based on anecdotal evidence and coincidental evidence, and every actual study concluded they did much of nothing.

I pointed out right here that scientific consensus was that population masking was worthless before Covid was released.

Ben_Natuf · 2023-05-19T14:42:00.418Z

Toll_Collector:

They believe what they did worked.

They know what they did was useless, but are convinced that they can convince you that they saved you

JayJay · 2023-05-19T15:12:30.868Z

Ben_Natuf:

JayJay:

The problem with masking is personal behavior was not taken into account.

and the fact that every single mandate and suggestion to wear them was based on anecdotal evidence and coincidental evidence, and every actual study concluded they did much of nothing.

The studies that made any conclusions at all were all worthless because there was no place where they were used that came close to meeting the conditions necessary to provide a definitive conclusion.

The closest place there was…in Bangladesh where they did an experiment designed to get as possible to optimal conditions…masks (surgical) did have an impact.

The problem of course is those optimal conditions were almost impossible to achieve.

WuWei · 2023-05-19T15:30:26.722Z

You have to be careful about “impact” attribution.

Toll_Collector · 2023-05-19T15:38:47.417Z

Paul_Thomson:

Toll_Collector:

Paul_Thomson:

I see a fsilure of freedom this time, but we can do it better next time.

I’m not so confident. We may not have a lockdown, but some of these governors and mayors will do the exact same thing in regard to mandates, masks, and the like. They believe what they did worked. Just like when a dog barks at a passerby and they continue on their way. The dog thinks it was successful.

Those who see through the pretense must speak up and demand to see the science that allegedly supports those mandates and the science arguing against them, before complying. Only when enough awake people declare the emperor naked will the sheep start to realise they are being duped.

It takes conscience and courage to beat this engineered mass formation psychosis.

Some people will see through it. But places like New York City, or Newark NJ, they willingly abide by the rules and restrictions. When I went to NYC I was shocked at what I saw. Those people were not only abiding by the rules, but going above and beyond. It looked like a city of puppets.

I’d say 9 of 10 people had masks on outdoors. Riding bikes, scooters, walking dogs. All wearing masks. Not the dogs. Which was a bit surprising.