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CA allowed schools to require masks. FL made it illegal for schools (as well as businesses) to require masks.

CA had strict protocols re: covid and schools. They also left their schools closed longer. FL didn’t have strict protocols and opened sooner.

CA has a higher vaccination rate than FL.

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Unknown like what?

The vaccine has been given to millions of people. If there was a broad negative effect it would have shown up.

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You do know that the courts struck that down don’t you. So try again.

Which even Fauci said was a mistake for those that did not open

Not the Gov fault he repeatedly encouraged people to get vaccinated.

So again what do you got? Something real this time might help.

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Do you have a link?

I see it was stayed, then that was reversed. Was it reversed again?

The question wasn’t ‘was it worth it?’ The question was ‘why did fewer kids die in CA?’ School closures seems like a liely reason to me.

Whether or not it was right in light of other costs is a different discussion.

He also outlawed vaccine mandates, and has made several statements down playing the value of vaccines.

And anyway, that’s a goal post move. The question was, why did fewer kids ie in CA than FL. Higher vaccination rates are a reason.

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You assume that deaths are higher because of masks and vaccinations. You don’t know that. You are guessing. Even the experts don’t know why a highly restrictive state like CA didn’t do much better than a very unrestricted State like FL.

How about you compare CA to another blue state with restrictive policies and tell us why some blue states did better then others.

Why did some red states do better than others?

As it happens, the caseload in California ranks on the high side of “blue/blue” states (states that voted Democratic in 2020 and have a Democratic governor) while Florida’s caseload is below average for “red/red” (states that voted Republican in 2020 and have a Republican governor). We can speculate as to why, but neither state is typical of the red-state vs. blue-state paradigm for public health interventions.

For all the glitter of a California versus Florida comparison, it really doesn’t tell us much at all.

https://medium.com/politically-speaking/covid-in-california-vs-florida-a-compelling-but-bogus-comparison-26d70f5734c9

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No that is the question. You can’t discuss it without including everything. You don’t want to because it destroys your argument.

My body my choice. Or is that just a slogan when you want to use it?

Link them

No it wasn’t you can’t point to anything he did that caused the difference

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Well, no.

The specific question I was answering was this:

Your question said nothing about whether or not those specific actions were worth the fewer deaths. You simply asked why I thought there were fewer deaths in CA.

Again, I’m not arguing whether these actions are right or wrong. You asked why I thought fewer kids died in CA. I answered you.

But this is a red herring. It doesn’t matter why the rates are lower in FL.

You asked why fewer kids died in CA than FL. I offered the vaccination rates as a factor. Doesn’t matter to the question how they got there.

Keeping kids in school, outlawing mask mandates, are in fact things that DeSantis did that IMO lead to more FL kids dying of Covid than CA kids. Vaccination rates, not totally on him.

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Sure it matters how they got there. You can’t come on here every day criticize Desantis about what he did. Then turn around and say it doesn’t matter what the reason for it was.

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Had you asked a question about DeSantis, I would be happy to discuss him. As it stands, you didn’t.

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For God’s sake you were talking about Desantis and FL. You really want try and claim you were not talking about Desa3 when you answered like this.

You were not talking about Desantis when you said FL. My ass

You were not talking about Desantis opening the schools? ■■■■■■■■

The fact you are trying to change the subject is halarious.

You even used his name. All your links has his name in it.

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You asked why CA had fewer deaths than FL.

I answered.

You started talking about DeSantis.

Would you like to expand the conversation to include who is responsible for those things? By all means, let’s do that. But I would seem to me first, we should agree or disagree about my answer to your question.

Do you think school closures, masks in schools and other mitigation efforts put in place in CA lead to fewer kids dying of covid?

Do you think higher vaccination rates in CA made a difference?

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I already disagreed with proof. But you tried to change the subject about not talking about Desantis.

Yea you were not talking about Desantis

But you were not talking about Desantis

But you were not talking about Desantis

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Those posts were in reply to another question!

What is your point man?

Do you want to talk about desantis? Let’s do it! but first, if you disagree with my theory on why more kids died in Florida than in Ca, tell me yours.

Then we can move on and discuss things like:

Was it wrth it to keep kdis out of school, if less kids died? Are the other costs equivielnt or not?

What part did the Govs of each state play in shaping these factors?

Do the Govs influence the electorate, or is it the other way around?

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My point is you can’t pin anything on what Desantis did. You have tried and tried. Your little dodge to say FL and claim you were not including him is delusional. Your feelings and hate aside is not proof.

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I guess he was off topic then :rofl:

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Why do you think twice as many kids died in Florida than California?

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No one knows. They had a spike from Jun to Sep 21 and no one can explain it. School was not in except for very end of it.

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A more objective approach would be to examine all states. All states have pockets of both red and blue in them.

Experts will still be studying this for years so I’m pretty sure we can have our own prejudices but that is all they are.

My company was considered essential. We saw people all day long and never got COVID. Some of my employees tested positive but weren’t too sick at all. We took a lot of precautions, mostly just hand sanitizing.

Still went grocery shopping, filled up gas tanks and touched things hundreds of people did before me.

:woman_shrugging:

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Here is an article on the spike you are referencing…

“After declining in early summer, child cases have increased exponentially, with over 750,000 cases added between August 5 and September 2,” the AAP said in a report, which makes up a quarter of new weekly COVID cases.

School starts in Florida mid August.

Seems to line up.

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All states had waives. Do you have evidence of cause and effect?

The experts don’t.

How about Europe, India, China, Russia?

And here you are going on as if DeSantis’ head is the only trophy you can put on a spike.

What about Cuomo and Whitmer? Do you think it was worse intentionally putting people with COVID into nursing homes or letting people be free to decide if they wanted to get vaccinated or not?

Which one is worse in your estimation?

Why did so many people move to Florida if they wanted to be locked down?