WCD9973
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They can all be answered. In fact- I have answered…many times on this board.
Its amazing -your entire post - hell, trumps entire plan - can be summed up with "
“We have tried nothing and we are all out of ideas!!”
and then simply blase all other ideas.
We mobilize hundards / thousands of people to respond to national dissasters every year. Why do you think we can’t for this?
After 9/11 Bush created the Medical Reserve corps. These are both Nationals and local. Some places (LIke my county) has done a GREAT job using this voulnter groups to get more volunters and to offere free testing almost weekly! But many states / counties have been unable to do this because they lack funding. Yes -The fed can provide funding AND Mmanage this on a national scale so places that are lacking the ability (People, resources, capabilities) can use groups from neigboring areas.
There 100% is a issue getting TIMELY tests completd.
This is issue for many Republicans. They have gotten so use to saying “Goverment cant help anything” that they have forgotten that sometimes goverment CAN and DOES help a lot.
I live in a big university city. Before classes started, the university tested over 40 thousand students and all staff and faculty. There are many testing sites in my city. I had to get tested a week and a half ago. I got in and out in less than 10 minutes. I’m very skeptical, 8 months into this, that there’s many places where people can’t get tested fairly quickly.
Volunteers? Your exalted leader Kamala, said she will refuse getting a vaccine if it’s endorsed by Trump, despite the fact that any vaccine would be coming from the same pharmaceutical companies that produce other medications, yet you want people to trust untrained volunteers to do Covid testing in the first place?
I am not anti-government, and there is always room for improvement in everything the government does. But you guys refuse to acknowledge that more than any President in recent history, Trump has had absolutely nothing but deliberate obstruction from the left since he took office. He has had zero cooperation from the left. State governors and local mayors are the ones on the front lines of their states and cities and many of them have bungled badly in their handling of Covid and often acted contrary to what they were getting from Trump just for political reasons.
Someone posted that if we could get to 80% participation in mask wearing, the infection rate would drop and we could open businesses. This is a tacit admission that people are the problem. Non-compliance. Covid is spread by people. What is Joe going to do to get people to comply to the extent the infection rate drops? Testing and tracking are not going to do more than they are doing now if people aren’t going to do their part (if the premise of 80% is accurate)? Martial law…
What??
RTchoke
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Wonder if libs get tired of Biden spaining and defending his current run for the Senate?
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WCD9973
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What town? My son is in Tempe. They tested 70,000 people in the first month! Did a great job!! Every student had testing on demand, they had isolation dorms, etc… Were doing well…to start.
His GF had Symptoms 10 days ago. She called to get a test. They had a 7 day waiting list before they could get her in.
Here in VA -My mom went to get a test. CVS was covered by her insurance- and she could get tested right away- but was 6-9 days to get result.
She could go get a test at a urgent care and get results in 1 day -for $200.
Yes -Look up the MRC. Here in my county there are over 2000 volunters (Me and my daughgter are 2 of them). They are now doing bi weekly free testing in areas that show spikes. Local goverment is picking up tab but is running out of funds. May have to go to once every 3 weeks. But when the MRC was created there was a national office as well that could help cordinate people that were in areas like me (Where there are a ton of volunters) to go to places that are underserved. When we voluntered we were asked if we were willing to travel out of state to help. Many say yes. Why this has not been actived is beyond me. I did ask the person in charge of our local branch who simply said “We report our number of volunters, number willing to travel, and our events to the national people. BUt we have never been asked to go outside the area”.
Not exaclty. Trump forces Gov and Mayors to kiss his ring and then publicly tries to use their words for political gain which is what caused the issue. CA Gov basicly said that he praised Trump publicly cause it was the only way he could get help. MI Gov refused to do the same and Trump attacked her saying he should direct the Feds to no longer help MI.
You can blame the dem govonors and mayors all you want -but most see its all from a lack of leadereship and a President who is publicly keeping score based on your praising him that is a issue.
As for the mask and such. Compliance IS a issue. I think a huge part if it is lack of national plan and metrics.
VA gained compliance with masks and restrictions once, and only once, they published metrics that were tied to actions.
“If % of positive rates are below 10% - Reasturants can open up to 50% indoors, and stay open until midnight. If its higher then 10% they have to close at 10pm and no indoor reasturants”. Compliance became much higehr and the numbers in VA beach dropped in 2 weeks.
Basicly if you tell people they cant do somethign with no hope on when they can -People ventually ignore it. You tell people to do something with a clear goal and a positve if they meet that goal, you get a higher compliance.
I live near Purdue. Yes, they have done a great job too of testing and have been suspending students who are ignoring the mask and distancing rules.
It sounds, by the examples you gave that the problem is not a shortage of available tests, but a people and procedures problem. Maybe volunteers can alleviate some of the problems, but it seems to me that volunteers could more efficiently be provided by local people, meaning recruited and trained, then from the Feds. Yes, the Feds should help with finding and promptly. Get a Democrat congress to cooperate with Trump on ANYTHING, that is the hold up.
The reasoning used is that because the US only has only about 4.25 % of the worlds population yet about 19% of world cases, it must be because of poor leadership by Donald Trump. That about sums it up? Let’s use some Lib logic on a little smaller scale.
New York City has a population of about 8.4 million, that’s about 2.5% of the US population. The Corona death toll just in NYC alone is about 24 thousand which means of the approximate 216 thousand US deaths, NYC alone has produced about 11% of them, therefore Governor Cuomo and Mayor Deblasio must be very poor leaders too. We know that Cuomo ordered Covid patients be put in nursing homes causing thousands of deaths. We know that Donald Trump managed to get field hospitals set up and sent a navy hospital ship to NYC during the height of the crisis and neither were used. We found out that New York had thousands of respirators stocked up during the worst of the crisis and went unused while people all over the country were dying for the lack. Which of these factors regarding all the death in New York ( and I didn’t even include all of them, just NYC) is the fault of Trump?
I don’t mind when people criticize Trump. He’s a big boy and as POTUS he’s fair game. I also criticize a lot of the stupid ■■■■ he’s done (and said). But I will defend Trump against false accusations made by otherwise intelligent people who are too intellectually lazy to examine the facts or too hypocritical to apply blame equally where it belongs.
WCD9973
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1st I want to thank you for a good discussion staying without name calling, snarky comments, or disproven facts.
For NY, I actually don’t disagree. I think both the mayor and Gov have done a beyond crap job in pretty much every aspect. From the start and even now with failing to acknowledge for a long time the low rate and still stopping things from reopening
I think Trump has done a crappy job because he minimized it for months publicly, would endorce and take action based on recommendations but then tweet out things such as “Liberate MI” ensuring that a large part of the population would not take this seriously (and not volunteer as well). That he would say wear a mask but then make fun of those that did.
He failed to have Feds run the procurement and distribution of tests front he start, failed to take leadership, spent more time bitching about the NFL and tweeting that leading discussion about how to reopen schools (not tweeting just to do it, but give leadership and push his people to develop metrics and ideas on it). He failed to implement many aspects of the plan written by the Bush adminstration on how to handle a pandemic including securing things like FEMA to help staff pop up testing and contract tracing where there were hot spots.
I don’t say Trump mishandled the Pandemic and showed subpar leadership because we make up a larger number of deaths and cases then population, but we do make up a larger number because of Trump’s poor leadership and mishandling.
Piper
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I doubt that. As a private citizen, he couldn’t afford it.
Things don’t always work out as planned.
I’m thankful every day that Hillary lost. By her loss, we are finding out just how corrupt the leftists organization was and is.
I’m surprised that people are still trying to justify the horrible things they are guilty of.
It’s always easier to criticize by looking back in hindsight and recognizing what so and so could have done better. But while your examining Trump, take a look at what prominent Democrats like Pelosi, Schumer and Biden were doing and saying. Not to mention Deblasio. Yup, Trump was downplaying the risk, as we’re the Democrats, but even POTUS isn’t omniscient and can only act on available information.
The virus, whether by accident or intent, did originate in China. It is not bigotry to correctly call it a “Chinese virus”, it’s a fact. It’s this ingrained, ignorant political correctness that causes Democrats into a knee jerk reaction and automatically resist and obstruct literally everything Trump does. The first case of Corona in the US was reported on Jan. 21st. 10 days later, Trump enacted a travel ban from China followed several days later by a ban on flights from Europe. For this, the Democrats said was unnecessary, and Biden called it xenophobic. If you recall, this was exactly the same thing they accused Trump of when he enacted a travel ban on countries that didn’t properly vet citizens that were coming to America. It so happens that the countries that were not engaging in vetting their people were from Muslim countries. Never mind the fact that these countries were known to be sponsors of terrorism and responsible for killing a lot of innocent people around the world. “TRUMP IS AN ISLAMOPHOBIC BIGOT” was the Democrat rallying cry.
Communists are liars. They hide anything from the world that casts an unfavorable light on their dear, beloved leaders and system. At the same time they are utterly godless, and history has shown that their leaders will sacrifice or outright murder tens of millions of their own citizens to gain and remain in power. Why do Democrats defend and trust ANYTHING that the Chinese government has said or done on the world stage in regard to their handling of this virus?
I see the Democrats as godless as the communists. Their support of 60 million babies murdered in the womb in the name of “choice” demonstrates their utter disdain for human lives. Their outright support of the rioting, looting and burnings of thousands of businesses in the name of “protest” demonstrates their utter lack of regard for the rights and property of the innocent. Their war on, calls for death and the murder of police demonstrates their utter disregard for law and order. Democrats have become so morally bankrupt that it’s very difficult for me to remain civil towards them, but because I have appreciated your view points, civility and thoughtful answering of questions, I will forgo my normal snarkiness towards Libs and thank you also for a good exchange…
WCD9973
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awwww…I thank you for being rational and you go over on a rant.
You know who wasnt minimizing this? WHo said as early as January that its a pandemic and will hit the US and we need to be ready? Biden.
And I agree - china lied.
Biden said that in Feb that they were lying and couldnt be trusted. Meanwhile- Trump was tweeting over and over again that China was doing a great job, had it under control, and was thanking the China leadership.
Its not hindsight. It was something Dems were pointing out while it was happening.
Everything else you said is just a rant no related to anything being discussed and will be ignored.
You wonder why I go on “rants” about Democrats in the middle of rational discussions? It’s because the level of inaccuracies and ommissions begins to grow as facts are presented. You believe the Democrats were warning of an impending pandemic and preparing for such and warning citizens to be afraid as early as January? Well, let’s see what prominent Democrats were saying about the threat, here’s Nancy Pelosi on February 24th, which is almost a full month after Trump’s Jan 31st travel ban:
Do you see any masks or social distancing? Nancy says she “has confidence in Dr. Fauci.” Evidently, Dr. Fauci wasn’t advocating masks and social distancing in late February or trusting Nancy would be wearing and distancing. This is the same Dr. Fauci that was advising the President. Pelosi wasn’t the only prominent Democrat downplaying the threat either at that time.
So, was Donald Trump’s travel ban from China warranted or not? Joe Biden said no, it was xenophobic. You statement about Joe giving warning in January is very contradictory to his words and Democrat actions. So why would you criticize Trump for doing the same early on? Especially given your admission that China was lying from the start? Trump was relying on the same “experts” wasn’t he? It seems his ban, which came 10 days after the first reported case in the US was very prescient and appropriate…
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WCD9973
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I didn’t say Democrats were warning in January. I said Biden was. And he was…in usa today editorial.
And no,.Biden did not say that. He said this virus won’t be solved by a xenophobe. And he’s right. He also wasn’t talking about the China restrictions (not a ban)
On Jan 31st, Trump put his travel restrictions in place, the next day, Biden tweeters this:
"We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency.”
To assert this tweet wasn’t a direct reference to Trump’s travel restrictions, which again, had just been put in place the day before is absurd.
In regards to what the Democrats were doing YOU said this:
“It’s not hindsight. It was something Dems were pointing out while it was happening.”
Clearly February 24th, when Nancy went to Chinatown and made her comments, was after Trump’s ban and “while it was happening.” So please, enough with what those wise, science believing, Democrats were doing while it was happening.
Was Trump’s travel restrictions appropriate or not?
WCD9973
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He didn’t tweet it. He’s not Trump.
He said it at a rally. And had nothing to do with the China travel restrictions. Hence why he never said he was against them.
And he was 100% right.
And while the restrictions were a good start, the fact that Trump did nothing for the next 6 weeks after except try to pretend the virus wasn’t bad is more telling.
Oh wait, he didn’t do nothing.
He tweeted multiple times how great china was and how great they were at handling it.
Meanwhile Biden was saying don’t Trust china.
Smyrna
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Most of them have 22" wheels too which means that they aren’t frugal. Those are very expensive trucks and almost new.
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