Lindsey Graham: “You’ve got guns. Use them.”

[Samm]

@FloridaYankee

@NickN

@PurpnGold

Why do conservatives consistently think that the riots of 2020 did not result in arrests, jail time and fines? Conservatives act as if all of those riots were done with no consequences to the perps. It is just not true.

It’s also true that police shooting’s where the death toll of any other peaceful and unarmed rioter not named Babbitt across America was probably zero cumulatively in 2020 and 2021.

She was not peaceful in any way, shape, manner or form.

You are right. Her actions were violent. But she also didn’t pose an immediate threat of grave harm or death to anyone. THAT is the bottom line to justify using deadly force to stop a person, even a violent one. THAT justification apply to anyone who confronts someone who is breaking the law including cops.

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@Orygun

@zantax

Try a dictionary, imminent

If a mob has come to your house, beaten up cops and smashed through your windows and then pushed their way in, would you

A- sit and wait to see what happens
B- Defend yourself from the “imminent” threat

The “Castle Doctrine” is the exception to the rule. If someone breaks into your house, by law, “imminent” has already been established.

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@tnt

@zantax

Try a dictionary, imminent

What do you think she was going to do when she got through the broken window?

So you condone killing people for what you think they might do? If that’s the case, we are all fair game … even you.

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@tnt

Crawling through a broken in window after breaking through barricades, fighting past cops, breaking into the capitol?

Come on, stop.

You still can’t answer the question? What gives?

You seem so confident in your understanding of the situation. So proud to know exactly what that officer protecting congress should have done.

The only way to be so sure is to know precisely what her intentions were once she crawled through the smashed in window.

What was she planning to do once she got through?

Are you not aware that punishment for crimes not committed is unconstitutional unless the commission of the crime is imminent? She could have been arrested and charged with numerous crimes, but harm to Congesspeople or cops or anyone else are not among them.

[Samm]

@gooddad409

@SixFoot

@gooddad409

Or else they do remember but narrative talking pts something something is more important.

Talking points, yes.

For example, how they’re still obsessed with Jan 6th because it helps them to forget how badly they trashed this country with their infectious petulance.

It distracts the voters which is the real motive here.

Pay no attention to the disaster in the WH, listen to us instead.

It isn’t working. There’s a red tsunami coming next year.

We all saw how effective the Democrats were running against Trump in Virginia.

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@tnt

Not breaking a window. Breaking a window and crawling though to a secured area.

And that’s already the law in most states. Iirc.

For which she should have been arrested and charged. But not killed.

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@tnt

@Samm

Yep. An internal whitewash investigation. Go figure.

What do you think she was going to do when she got through the window?

It doesn’t matter what she thought she was going to do. The only thing that matters is what she did.

Now if you ask me what would have happened had she gotten through the window, I’d say that I think the SWAT Team that was on her heels would gave had her on her face and in cuffs before she could turn towards the door where the cop who shot her was cowering.

[Samm]

@SixFoot

Agreed. I was informing him on a very specific part, because a lot of “felons” have been lied to.

It’s not just felons. There are an astounding number of law abiding people who believe that no felon can ever have a gun due to that lie.

[SixFoot]

Agreed. This was specific.

[tnt]

If someone breaks a window in your house and starts crawling through it you can legally shoot them in most states.

[tnt]

Can you name one?

[tnt]

What was her intention?

[FloridaYankee]

@Samm

@FloridaYankee

@NickN

@PurpnGold

Why do conservatives consistently think that the riots of 2020 did not result in arrests, jail time and fines? Conservatives act as if all of those riots were done with no consequences to the perps. It is just not true.

It’s also true that police shooting’s where the death toll of any other peaceful and unarmed rioter not named Babbitt across America was probably zero cumulatively in 2020 and 2021.

She was not peaceful in any way, shape, manner or form.

You are right. Her actions were violent. But she also didn’t pose an immediate threat of grave harm or death to anyone. THAT is the bottom line to justify using deadly force to stop a person, even a violent one. THAT justification apply to anyone who confronts someone who is breaking the law including cops.

He was stopping the entire mob, not a single person.

[zantax]

@FloridaYankee

He was stopping the entire mob, not a single person.

Never become a defense attorney.

[FloridaYankee]

@zantax

@FloridaYankee

He was stopping the entire mob, not a single person.

Never become a defense attorney.

Let me know when he’s charged lol. You have to take the situation as a whole.

[zantax]

@FloridaYankee

@zantax

@FloridaYankee

He was stopping the entire mob, not a single person.

Never become a defense attorney.

Let me know when he’s charged lol. You have to take the situation as a whole.

He says as if he ever came into contact with our justice system. Love the irony of the left saying well, the cops investigated and said it’s all good.

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@tnt

If someone breaks a window in your house and starts crawling through it you can legally shoot them in most states.

Yep. As I pointed out, the so-called “castle doctrine” says that is an imminent threat. That doctrine does not apply here.

[Samm]

@tnt

Can you name one?

Sure. Throw a hissy fit as she is thrown on her face and cuffed by the SWAT team which was standing immediately behind her, while officer Byrd held her at gunpoint.

[Samm]

@tnt

What was her intention?

The same as her thoughts … which were known only to her.

Why do you keep asking? Surely you know that a cop is not justified in shooting you for what he thinks that you might be thinking.

[Samm]

@FloridaYankee

@Samm

@FloridaYankee

@NickN

@PurpnGold

Why do conservatives consistently think that the riots of 2020 did not result in arrests, jail time and fines? Conservatives act as if all of those riots were done with no consequences to the perps. It is just not true.

It’s also true that police shooting’s where the death toll of any other peaceful and unarmed rioter not named Babbitt across America was probably zero cumulatively in 2020 and 2021.

She was not peaceful in any way, shape, manner or form.

You are right. Her actions were violent. But she also didn’t pose an immediate threat of grave harm or death to anyone. THAT is the bottom line to justify using deadly force to stop a person, even a violent one. THAT justification apply to anyone who confronts someone who is breaking the law including cops.

He was stopping the entire mob, not a single person.

There were nearly as many cops in that location as there were protesters. And the protest in the rest of the building occupied by the bulk of the mob continued for quite some time. In other words, the only thing he stopped was her life.