Life is Great in America, Wouldn't You Agree?

[sikofit]

@peek-a-boo

The highest DJIA was about 16,590 prior to the 2008 recession

Did you just make that number up? That number isn’t close to being right. The highest it ever got before Obama was President was 14,198 on Oct 9, 2007.

[Oryx]

@WuWei

They explain, in part, other reasons for their problems.

I get that, and certainly tariffs aren’t the only problem farmers face, but they aren’t helping either.

[Guvnah]

@biggestal99

And even you have to admit. The president is unpopular with a vast amount of American citizenitry.

Right. TDS libs.

He’ll still win reelection. And TDS-ers will continue setting their hair on fire.

[WuWei]

@Oryx

@WuWei

They explain, in part, other reasons for their problems.

I get that, and certainly tariffs aren’t the only problem farmers face, but they aren’t helping either.

Agreed, for now. I sincerely hope they can get a deal done soon. In the meantime, are your neighbors getting help from centgov? It seems it is available.

[WuWei]

I just heard on NBC that China has threatened to retaliate if Trump adds to the tariffs.

If they do, who is paying for their tariffs?

[Oryx]

@WuWei

Agreed, for now. I sincerely hope they can get a deal done soon.

Yes, me too.

@WuWei

In the meantime, are your neighbors getting help from centgov? It seems it is available.

I’ve talked to a couple neighbors who may be eligible for aid, but they’re unhappy about having to take it. I have a corn-growing neighbor who spends more time in the capital lobbying for ethanol than he does in his field, and he’s well-prepared to deal with this sort of thing. Others not so much.

[sikofit]

@WuWei

I just heard on NBC that China has threatened to retaliate if Trump adds to the tariffs.

If they do, who is paying for their tariffs?

That all depends on whether they buy the products with new tariffs or switch to a new supplier like they did with Soybeans. If they don’t Chinese consumers pay but if they do then it’s American farmers "paying’ with an unsold harvest

[WuWei]

@Oryx

@WuWei

Agreed, for now. I sincerely hope they can get a deal done soon.

Yes, me too.

@WuWei

In the meantime, are your neighbors getting help from centgov? It seems it is available.

I’ve talked to a couple neighbors who may be eligible for aid, but they’re unhappy about having to take it. I have a corn-growing neighbor who spends more time in the capital lobbying for ethanol than he does in his field, and he’s well-prepared to deal with this sort of thing. Others not so much.

Tell them to take it. Centgov is fighting a battle on their behalf, it’s ok to bandage the wounds and keep the wounded in the fight in the meantime.

[WuWei]

@sikofit

@WuWei

I just heard on NBC that China has threatened to retaliate if Trump adds to the tariffs.

If they do, who is paying for their tariffs?

That all depends on whether they buy the products with new tariffs or switch to a new supplier like they did with Soybeans. If they don’t Chinese consumers pay but if they do then it’s American farmers "paying’ with an unsold harvest

How is it any different for us?

[sikofit]

@WuWei

How is it any different for us?

For a lot of the products there is no other supplier that can be our demands

[WuWei]

@sikofit

@WuWei

How is it any different for us?

For a lot of the products there is no other supplier that can be our demands

Like what? What does China make that nobody else can? Come on man.

You ever see somebody not step up when there is a profit to be made?

[WuWei]

@Oryx

How do US farmers get access to the Chinese markets and how do they compete with other country’s farmers?

[Weedhopper]

Even better now that Obama’s gone and Hillary was a speed bump.

[sikofit]

@WuWei

Like what? What does China make that nobody else can? Come on man.

You ever see somebody not step up when there is a profit to be made?

Precious metals. Can’t step up with what doesn’t exist

[WuWei]

@sikofit

@WuWei

Like what? What does China make that nobody else can? Come on man.

You ever see somebody not step up when there is a profit to be made?

Precious metals. Can’t step up with what doesn’t exist

They don’t make precious metals. What do they have we can’t get somewhere else? “Precious metals” don’t respect borders either.

[WuWei]

And then there’s another fly in the ointment, before the trade war started, all these companies got tax breaks, did they not? Ammo in the magazines.

Did they pass it on to their customers, or do they have ammo in reserve if it gets worse?

[sikofit]

@WuWei

They don’t make precious metals. What do they have we can’t get somewhere else? “Precious metals” don’t respect borders either.

That is irrelevant to the discussion of trade and tariffs. It’s still a product we cannot get elsewhere whether it’s “made” or not.

[biggestal99]

@Guvnah

Right. TDS libs.

He’ll still win reelection. And TDS-ers will continue setting their hair on fire

Right. A vast amount of the country, trump is very unpopular.

It’s a fact and no amount of “TDS” dog whistles can eliminate that fact.

Allan

[WuWei]

@sikofit

@WuWei

They don’t make precious metals.

That is irrelevant to the discussion of trade and tariffs. It’s still a product we cannot get elsewhere whether it’s “made” or not.

What are they and why do we need them?

[gooddad409]

@peek-a-boo

Unemployment flattened out between 2015 and 2016 at 5%, leading into Trump’s first term. It has since gone down to 3.7%.

The Markets returned to their previous peak under Obama. They have achieved new highs under Trump.

GDP growth averaged 1.5% under Obama in 8 years. His highest yearly GDP growth was 2.88%. Trump was able to hit 2.9% in his second year. We will see what it looks like once Trump completes his second term.

And I will ask you what I have asked everyone who believes Trump simply inherited Obama’s booming economy. What exactly did Obama do to get the economy roaring, as you seem to believe?

The economy got better in spite of Obama not because of him.

The feds propped him up to a large degree by keeping the interest rates super low and not raising them to amount to anything.

Since Trump hit office they raised them 7 times i believe.If they had done so under Obama we would have landed squarely back in a serious recession.

They helped Obama and have mostly hindered Trump.