Italy has a population about the equivalent of Texas and Florida Combined.

If you want to play that game shall we look at comparative mortality between Italy with those of Texas and Florida Combined?

Hint, you won’t like how that works out.

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Those two combined have a population on par with that of Texas, California, and Florida combined.

You really want to make that comparison? You won’t like the outcome.

Total Mortality

Italy 17,127
Spain 14,045
Total 31,142

California 450
Florida 296
Texas 167
Total 913

Who’s had the better response and outcome again?

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It’s not about the first case report, it’s about when did the spread of the disease accelerate in each country. Italy was in the thick of things way before we were.

I have read comments here and in other places that have mentioned Australia in discussions about health care.

Geezus, you don’t even let the goal posts rest in one place for a single post do you?

First you claimed they all had cases prior to the US which is false and now you want to make up an entirely new claim?

Damn… .!

Nobody will ever know when the first cases came to any of those countries including the US, the only metric we have to judge by is when the first confirmed cases were reported.

But hell, we ca make up anything and see if it sticks to the way for purely partisan purposes can’t we? You certainly do.

A little premature to compare mortality rates at this stage especially if Trump decides to open the USA economy prematurely.

No it isn’t since those other countries have yet to do so either.

The reason why people criticize the American health care system is about affordability. As none of your post addresses affordability, it’s irrelevant.

It should be patently obvious that the stage that a particular country is relevant given the exponentiation rather than linear rate of infection and the doubling of infections is significantly shorter in the earlier progress of infection in a country.

My post was never about who had the first single case of the virus. The argument was in relation to which place was dealing with the virus at an epidemic level first.

If you want to pretend that I ever cared or was railing about the first case report, knock yourself out…but it’s simply not true.

I did address it. You want to make comparisons for the expense while ignoring what we’re spending it on, why, and what we get for those dollars.

You’re going to have to increase taxes on the lower 2/3 of “earners” exponentially to pay for a Euro/dem/socialist healthcare system similar to theirs in which rationed care is the rule rather than the exception.

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It was to Alex to whom I responded when you jumped back in which indicates you’re supporting the same argument.\

All of those countries recorded their first confirmed cases AFTER the US, not before.

Pay attention and read what’s already been posted.

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You would be well advised to practise your own counsel since your implication in your post that the USA is further advanced than countries like Italy is nonsensical.

So the affordability of the American healthcare system isn’t problematic?

There will be an increase in taxes but you’re taking away health insurance costs (depending on the implementation). I currently have to pay over $16K a year to insure my family and that doesn’t even cover all out of pocket expenses.

You’re just flat making ■■■■ up now, I made no such statement, I specifically said they are comparable because they have similar levels of med/tech as the US.

It’s disingenuous to act like the first case report is the most important factor. The most important factor in an epidemic, is when the virus goes “viral.” The first infected person that goes to Mardi Gras or some other large venue and infects a 1000 people in one weekend…that’s when it becomes an epidemic and a challenge to the medical system… not the first case report.

No, there would have to be an exponential increase in Taxes on the poor and middle class to provide a similar system here.

We have a much higher after tax income level in the US compared to Europe and what we spend on HC/HI are pre tax dollars.

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What? Where did I say a socialized medical system would prevent it? Don’t make things up.