Let us be clear. President Trump cannot shut down the federal government!


#818

Oh, and you should be ashamed with your closing tag line there…the wall is going to cost something on the order of 35 to 50 billion dollars to complete, so stop with the not even half truths on that front.


#819

:roll_eyes:

See: Border apprehensions increased in 2018 – especially for migrant families

The irrefutable fact is, The statistics, if accurate, confirm border crossings are surging.

surge

/sərj/

verb

gerund or present participle: surging

  1. (of a crowd or a natural force) move suddenly and powerfully forward or upward.

“the journalists surged forward”

synonyms: gush, rush, stream, flow, burst, pour, cascade, spill, overflow, brim over, well, sweep, spout, spurt, jet, spew, discharge, roll, whirl; More

synonyms: increase suddenly, rise, grow, escalate, jump, leap, boost

“the Dow Jones index surged 47.63 points”

JWK

Reaching across the aisle and bipartisanship is the Democrat Party Leadership’s Newspeak to subvert the Constitution and screw the American People.


#820

Perhaps a legal expert, such yourself, can explain the concept of legislative entrenchment and how it might apply…


#821

I think you are far better equipped to pontificate in such a distraction than I, who is concerned about the general welfare of the United States and her citizens, with respect to the ongoing invasion of our borders.

JWK

There is no surer way to weaken, subdue, demoralize and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such invaders.


#822

Fantastic! We have found an area of agreement! No congress can obligate a future to congress to spend money on anything… Therefore, your assertion that this congress somehow has an obligation to honor a “promise” made 35 years ago is nothing more than spurious nonsense.


#823

John. Going to show us where the 1986 makes any promise?

Further, show us how much wall was required to be built as part of the agreement.


#824

They disagree with Fat Philandering Spray Tan Combover Con Man Donnie that a wall is the correct way to address illegal border crossings. We elected a Dem House to do exactly what they are doing.


#825

Asked by you and answered HERE

Try paying attention, it makes for a more productive discussion.

JWK

The Democrat Party Leadership has been encouraging this ongoing invasion of our southern border since 1985 when amnesty was granted to 2.5 million illegal entrants in return for a guarantee to prevent illegal border crossings. And here we are today, illegal border crossings have not been prevented, and there are 10-15 million new illegal entrants while the invasion continues


#826

You’ve not shown me where they say anything is a promise.

Where do they use the word promise?


#827

:roll_eyes:

The legislation makes the promise in specific wording.
See HERE

And pay attention.

JWK

The Democrat Party Leadership has been encouraging this ongoing invasion of our southern border since 1985 when amnesty was granted to 2.5 million illegal entrants in return for a guarantee to prevent illegal border crossings. And here we are today, illegal border crossings have not been prevented, and there are 10-15 million new illegal entrants while the invasion continues


#828

Unless you can point to the word promise, then you’re just making things up.


#829

:roll_eyes:

The legislation explicitly states:

(a) TWO ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS. – It is the sense of Congress that two essential elements of the program of immigration control established by this Act are –

(1) an increase in the border patrol and other inspection and enforcement activities of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and of other appropriate Federal agencies in order to prevent and deter the illegal entry of aliens into the United States and the violation of the terms of their entry, and ….

.

Since its passage, it has not prevented illegal border crossings. As a matter of fact, since its passage in 1986 we have had approximately 10 - 20 MILLION new illegal entries into the United States, and, the invasion of our border continues!

JWK

The Democrat Party Leadership has been encouraging the ongoing invasion of our southern border since 1985 when amnesty was granted to 2.5 million illegal entrants in return for a guarantee to prevent illegal border crossings. And here we are today, illegal border crossings have not been prevented, and there are 10-15 million new illegal entrants while the invasion continues


#830

Gotcha. No promise was ever made in the act. Glad we can agree.

How many border crossings were there in 1986 as compared to now?


#831

:roll_eyes:

I don’t know why you are fixated with the word “promise” when in fact the legislation explicitly states:

(a) TWO ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS. – It is the sense of Congress that two essential elements of the program of immigration control established by this Act are –

(1) an increase in the border patrol and other inspection and enforcement activities of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and of other appropriate Federal agencies in order to prevent and deter the illegal entry of aliens into the United States and the violation of the terms of their entry, and ….

.

Since its passage in 1986, it has not prevented illegal border crossings. As a matter of fact, since its passage in 1986 we have had approximately 10 - 20 MILLION new illegal entries into the United States, and, the invasion of our border continues!

So, tell me, how many more American citizens have to be killed by illegal entrants before the Democrat Party Leadership provides sufficient revenue to build barriers along our border where the terrain requires such barriers to help prevent illegal border crossings? How many more of our public schools have to be overwhelmed and destroyed by the children of illegal entrants before Nancy Botox Pelosi agrees to secure our border? How many more local communities have to be terrorized by illegal entrant gang members, or emergency rooms closes because they are filled with illegal entrants before Pelosi decides to provide for the general welfare of the United States and her citizens?

JWK

Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! Far more than the measly $5.7 billion asked for to build a wall! LINK


#832

You called it a promise. I don’t see how you can have a promise without actually using the word promise. It seems you’re relying on an inference but the text is the key. There is no such promise in the text, as you’ve clearly pointed out. You can’t find anything with the word promise.


#833

What was the number of illegal crossings in 1986 as compared to 2016?


#834

[quote=“dantes, post:832, topic:84204, full:true”]
You called it a promise. [/quote]

:roll_eyes:

You never answered how many more American citizens have to be killed by illegal entrants before the Democrat Party Leadership provides sufficient revenue to build barriers along our border where the terrain requires such barriers to help prevent illegal border crossings? How many more of our public schools have to be overwhelmed and destroyed by the children of illegal entrants before Nancy Botox Pelosi agrees to secure our border? How many more local communities have to be terrorized by illegal entrant gang members, or emergency rooms closes because they are filled with illegal entrants before Pelosi decides to provide for the general welfare of the United States and her citizens?

JWK

There is no surer way to weaken, subdue, demoralize and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such invaders.


#835

It’s awfully strange of you to ask me to answer questions when you haven’t been able to answer any of the very simple questions posed.

Where does the bill say anything about a “promise”?

Answer that, or any other question I’ve posed you and I’ll think about answering yours.


#836

It would appear that the number is greater than the total number of all these impacts since November 7, 2018 since the GOP house, senate and presidency did nothing before then…


#837

I already gave my explanation several times, the last time being HERE

The legislation, in specific language, lays out its objective, as related to “immigration control” and the objective is “to prevent and deter the illegal entry of aliens into the United states” It is not unreasonable to conclude those words give and assurance or a promise to the American People that Congress will actually work to “prevent and deter the illegal entry of aliens into the United States”.

Why you insist in repeatedly beating a dead horse over the word “promise”, instead of engaging in a productive discussion about the necessity to effectively secure our border leads one to question your presents in the thread.

In any event, now that I addressed your fixation with the word “promise” for the umpteenth time, tell me, how many more American citizens have to be killed by illegal entrants before the Democrat Party Leadership provides sufficient revenue to build barriers along our border where the terrain requires such barriers to help prevent illegal border crossings? How many more of our public schools have to be overwhelmed and destroyed by the children of illegal entrants before Nancy Botox Pelosi agrees to secure our border? How many more local communities have to be terrorized by illegal entrant gang members, or emergency rooms closes because they are filled with illegal entrants before Pelosi decides to provide the $5.7 Billion necessary to promote the general welfare of the United States and her citizens?

JWK

Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! Far more than the measly $5.7 billion asked for to build a wall! LINK