Let us be clear. President Trump cannot shut down the federal government!

Which they’ve done.

Obligation fulfilled. Get over it.

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It appears you may not be paying attention to the news which proves the 1986 promise “to prevent … illegal entry of aliens into the United States…” has not been kept.

Let us at least stick to truth and facts.

JWK

Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! Far more than the measly $5.7 billion asked for to build a wall! LINK

Every component of the 1986 legislation that was intended to prevent illegal entry has been enacted and has helped lower border crossings by 85%.

It’s a fact.

The compromise was kept. If you have something specific that was broken, point it out because if not you’re just making things up.

Talking about making things up! The irrefutable fact is, the 1986 promise “to prevent … illegal entry of aliens into the United States…” has not been kept. Since that promise, we now have approximately 10-15 million new illegal entrants in the United States and American citizens are suffering the devastating social and economic consequences.

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How many more American citizens have to be killed by illegal entrants before the Democrat Party Leadership provides sufficient revenue to build barriers along our border where the terrain requires such barriers to help prevent illegal border crossings? How many more of our public schools have to be overwhelmed and destroyed by the children of illegal entrants before Nancy Botox Pelosi agrees to secure our border? How many more local communities have to be terrorized by illegal entrant gang members, or emergency rooms closes because they are filled with illegal entrants before Pelosi decides to provide for the general welfare of the United States and her citizens?

JWK

Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! Far more than the measly $5.7 billion asked for to build a wall! LINK

Lord, you’ll cling to anything, won’t you.

The agreement said they’d increase the border patrol. They increased the border patrol. Quit your whining.

I’m “clinging” to the facts.

The fact is, the 1986 legislation clearly stated its intention is “to prevent illegal entry into the United States”, and it was sold to the American people to accomplish just that!

And here we are today, after amnesty was granted to 2.5 million illegal entrants, we now have an additional 15-20 million new illegal entrants and the invasion continues!

Instead of posting an insulting comment about “whining”, take some time and review the meaning of “prevent”, which the legislation promised!

JWK

There is no surer way to weaken, subdue, demoralize and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such invaders.

You are clinging to something that is NEVER going to happen. That being the idea that never again will a single person attempt or be successful at entering our country illegally. That idea is laughable on its face.

Hell, even the countries you tried to use earlier in the thread as proof that walls work don’t have that kind of success rate. As a matter of fact, they too hover right around the 85% success rate on catching people trying to cross illegally. Sure, the overall numbers are lower, but that has more to do with what getting caught crossing illegally into say, Turkey, will net you vs. doing so in the USA. Unless you are okay with being no better than those that would illegally detain you forever because you got caught coming in illegally (since we both know that deporting them doesn’t prevent them from trying again and all), then you will never have what it is you claim was promised.

Just keep in mind, we already know that some people come into our country where the wall already exists, so it’s kinda proof of what I have been telling you from the start, which is the promise that you think was reneged on hasn’t been…its been enforced to the logical best its gonna be.

Get over it.

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No where in the act does it use the word promise.

It is not only rude to project your personal beliefs as being mine, it is an indication you are not interested in asking for my opinion and then expressing yours.

If a wall/barrier is 85 percent or more successful in stopping illegal border crossings at a particular border location, erecting such a barrier is well worth it in my opinion and the opinion of border patrol agents!

JWK

Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! Far more than the measly $5.7 billion asked for to build a wall! LINK

Then what are you complaining about? Immigration since 1986 is down far more that 85 percent, without having done anything in regards to more wall.

Face it, you keep making the argument for more people and better technology to do the job you are wanting done, which I have no issue with. We simply disagree on how we should go about doing that job.

Oh, and you should be ashamed with your closing tag line there…the wall is going to cost something on the order of 35 to 50 billion dollars to complete, so stop with the not even half truths on that front.

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See: Border apprehensions increased in 2018 – especially for migrant families

The irrefutable fact is, The statistics, if accurate, confirm border crossings are surging.

surge

/sərj/

verb

gerund or present participle: surging

  1. (of a crowd or a natural force) move suddenly and powerfully forward or upward.

“the journalists surged forward”

synonyms: gush, rush, stream, flow, burst, pour, cascade, spill, overflow, brim over, well, sweep, spout, spurt, jet, spew, discharge, roll, whirl; More

synonyms: increase suddenly, rise, grow, escalate, jump, leap, boost

“the Dow Jones index surged 47.63 points”

JWK

Reaching across the aisle and bipartisanship is the Democrat Party Leadership’s Newspeak to subvert the Constitution and screw the American People.

Perhaps a legal expert, such yourself, can explain the concept of legislative entrenchment and how it might apply…

I think you are far better equipped to pontificate in such a distraction than I, who is concerned about the general welfare of the United States and her citizens, with respect to the ongoing invasion of our borders.

JWK

There is no surer way to weaken, subdue, demoralize and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such invaders.

Fantastic! We have found an area of agreement! No congress can obligate a future to congress to spend money on anything… Therefore, your assertion that this congress somehow has an obligation to honor a “promise” made 35 years ago is nothing more than spurious nonsense.

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John. Going to show us where the 1986 makes any promise?

Further, show us how much wall was required to be built as part of the agreement.

They disagree with Fat Philandering Spray Tan Combover Con Man Donnie that a wall is the correct way to address illegal border crossings. We elected a Dem House to do exactly what they are doing.

Asked by you and answered HERE

Try paying attention, it makes for a more productive discussion.

JWK

The Democrat Party Leadership has been encouraging this ongoing invasion of our southern border since 1985 when amnesty was granted to 2.5 million illegal entrants in return for a guarantee to prevent illegal border crossings. And here we are today, illegal border crossings have not been prevented, and there are 10-15 million new illegal entrants while the invasion continues

You’ve not shown me where they say anything is a promise.

Where do they use the word promise?

:roll_eyes:

The legislation makes the promise in specific wording.
See HERE

And pay attention.

JWK

The Democrat Party Leadership has been encouraging this ongoing invasion of our southern border since 1985 when amnesty was granted to 2.5 million illegal entrants in return for a guarantee to prevent illegal border crossings. And here we are today, illegal border crossings have not been prevented, and there are 10-15 million new illegal entrants while the invasion continues