Laws To Save Us

[WuWei]

@mobulis

Ah nope its the employers fault.

Then you need to say why. Just posting “Nope” all the time is not discussing.

[mobulis]

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

Hardly. Felons still get hired, just don’t usually command a premium. And it’s inescapable unless as I pointed out we move to secret trials which is unconstitutional. People build entire businesses based on hiring cheap ex con labor. Crime looks horrible on your resume, that’s not the people hiring fault, it’s criminals fault.

Amazing really, the same people who don’t think you shouldn’t be able to make a living if you make a racially insensitive remark simultaneously believe people should be forced or incentivized to hire murderers, armed robbers and rapists.

Ah nope its the employers fault.

Nope, the employers didn’t trash their resume, they did.

The employer didn’t hire the person, that’s on them.

[zantax]

@mobulis

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

Hardly. Felons still get hired, just don’t usually command a premium. And it’s inescapable unless as I pointed out we move to secret trials which is unconstitutional. People build entire businesses based on hiring cheap ex con labor. Crime looks horrible on your resume, that’s not the people hiring fault, it’s criminals fault.

Amazing really, the same people who don’t think you shouldn’t be able to make a living if you make a racially insensitive remark simultaneously believe people should be forced or incentivized to hire murderers, armed robbers and rapists.

Ah nope its the employers fault.

Nope, the employers didn’t trash their resume, they did.

The employer didn’t hire the person, that’s on them.

No, you don’t have some right to a job, if you trash your resume that is entirely on you.

[Guvnah]

@TheRedComet

And I do think some sort of tax incentive may help with that. If a business hires a non violent felon they can get a tax break of some kind.

And they should also get insurance of some sort to cover against a crime against them that the convict does.

But I’m with you. I think the forever-branding that a convict gets is almost a guarantee of a ruined life moving forward.

When a guy bankrupts, it stays on his record – for a time. Future creditors know about it, and get to choose whether to do business with him. But after a while it falls off his credit.

Maybe something similar can be worked out for certain crimes. The REQUIREMENT to “check the box” can go away after x-many years for some crimes, and y-many years for others. This doesn’t preclude the employer from finding it in a background check, (just like your bankruptcy from 1988 can still be fished up) but at least the requirement to self-report it could be eliminated after enough time.

And as far as I am concerned, “paying your dues” (whether fines, restitution, parole and/or prison) should suffice to allow a convict to vote after all dues are satisfied.

[WuWei]

Good post.

[mobulis]

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

Hardly. Felons still get hired, just don’t usually command a premium. And it’s inescapable unless as I pointed out we move to secret trials which is unconstitutional. People build entire businesses based on hiring cheap ex con labor. Crime looks horrible on your resume, that’s not the people hiring fault, it’s criminals fault.

Amazing really, the same people who don’t think you shouldn’t be able to make a living if you make a racially insensitive remark simultaneously believe people should be forced or incentivized to hire murderers, armed robbers and rapists.

Ah nope it’s the employers fault.

Nope, the employers didn’t trash their resume, they did.

The employer didn’t hire the person, that’s on them.

No, you don’t have some right to a job, if you trash your resume that is entirely on you.

Nope it’s still on the employer.

Here’s the way this works, criminals get out having done their time and try to go straight. But people who have no empathy not only don’t help but make more difficult if not impossible to go straight.

[WuWei]

@mobulis

But people like you

Problematic. Edit that post with better words please.

[zantax]

@mobulis

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

Hardly. Felons still get hired, just don’t usually command a premium. And it’s inescapable unless as I pointed out we move to secret trials which is unconstitutional. People build entire businesses based on hiring cheap ex con labor. Crime looks horrible on your resume, that’s not the people hiring fault, it’s criminals fault.

Amazing really, the same people who don’t think you shouldn’t be able to make a living if you make a racially insensitive remark simultaneously believe people should be forced or incentivized to hire murderers, armed robbers and rapists.

Ah nope it’s the employers fault.

Nope, the employers didn’t trash their resume, they did.

The employer didn’t hire the person, that’s on them.

No, you don’t have some right to a job, if you trash your resume that is entirely on you.

Nope it’s still on the employer.

Here’s the way this works, criminals get out having done their time and try to go straight. But people who have no empathy not only don’t help but make more difficult if not impossible to go straight.

Sorry,empathy doesn’t include welcoming a rapist into my wife’s office. Your empathy is misplaced, it belongs to his victim, not the criminal.

[PhilipNolan]

@TheRedComet

Yes that’s true.

But once you’ve served your sentence you’ve paid your debt to society.

Should they not be given a chance to fix to their lives?

Hope. If you take away their hope for the future (which is what the current system does) why on earth wouldn’t they go back to robbing, or dealing hard narcotics? They have to feed theirselves and their families like any other person.

Isn’t that what all those “second chance programs” are supposed to be in place for? there are literally hundreds of them across the country, everything from jobs & education, to food, clothing and housing assistance.

[mobulis]

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

Hardly. Felons still get hired, just don’t usually command a premium. And it’s inescapable unless as I pointed out we move to secret trials which is unconstitutional. People build entire businesses based on hiring cheap ex con labor. Crime looks horrible on your resume, that’s not the people hiring fault, it’s criminals fault.

Amazing really, the same people who don’t think you shouldn’t be able to make a living if you make a racially insensitive remark simultaneously believe people should be forced or incentivized to hire murderers, armed robbers and rapists.

Ah nope it’s the employers fault.

Nope, the employers didn’t trash their resume, they did.

The employer didn’t hire the person, that’s on them.

No, you don’t have some right to a job, if you trash your resume that is entirely on you.

Nope it’s still on the employer.

Here’s the way this works, criminals get out having done their time and try to go straight. But people who have no empathy not only don’t help but make more difficult if not impossible to go straight.

Sorry,empathy doesn’t include welcoming a rapist into my wife’s office. Your empathy is misplaced, it belongs to his victim, not the criminal.

So you want criminals after they get out to go on to commit more crimes. Got it.

[zantax]

@mobulis

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

Hardly. Felons still get hired, just don’t usually command a premium. And it’s inescapable unless as I pointed out we move to secret trials which is unconstitutional. People build entire businesses based on hiring cheap ex con labor. Crime looks horrible on your resume, that’s not the people hiring fault, it’s criminals fault.

Amazing really, the same people who don’t think you shouldn’t be able to make a living if you make a racially insensitive remark simultaneously believe people should be forced or incentivized to hire murderers, armed robbers and rapists.

Ah nope it’s the employers fault.

Nope, the employers didn’t trash their resume, they did.

The employer didn’t hire the person, that’s on them.

No, you don’t have some right to a job, if you trash your resume that is entirely on you.

Nope it’s still on the employer.

Here’s the way this works, criminals get out having done their time and try to go straight. But people who have no empathy not only don’t help but make more difficult if not impossible to go straight.

Sorry,empathy doesn’t include welcoming a rapist into my wife’s office. Your empathy is misplaced, it belongs to his victim, not the criminal.

So you want criminals after they get out to go on to commit more crimes. Got it.

Ridiculous assertion. No, I want them to obey the law and to stop victimizing innocent people.

[mobulis]

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

Hardly. Felons still get hired, just don’t usually command a premium. And it’s inescapable unless as I pointed out we move to secret trials which is unconstitutional. People build entire businesses based on hiring cheap ex con labor. Crime looks horrible on your resume, that’s not the people hiring fault, it’s criminals fault.

Amazing really, the same people who don’t think you shouldn’t be able to make a living if you make a racially insensitive remark simultaneously believe people should be forced or incentivized to hire murderers, armed robbers and rapists.

Ah nope it’s the employers fault.

Nope, the employers didn’t trash their resume, they did.

The employer didn’t hire the person, that’s on them.

No, you don’t have some right to a job, if you trash your resume that is entirely on you.

Nope it’s still on the employer.

Here’s the way this works, criminals get out having done their time and try to go straight. But people who have no empathy not only don’t help but make more difficult if not impossible to go straight.

Sorry,empathy doesn’t include welcoming a rapist into my wife’s office. Your empathy is misplaced, it belongs to his victim, not the criminal.

So you want criminals after they get out to go on to commit more crimes. Got it.

Ridiculous assertion. No, I want them to obey the law and to stop victimizing innocent people.

Then help them do that.

[zantax]

I can’t help them retroactively

[Samm]

Well, considering that the criminal element of our citizens is about 15% or so, that sounds low.

[mobulis]

@zantax

I can’t help them retroactively

Then you want criminals after they get out to go on to commit more crimes since you don’t want to help.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@WuWei

@vaard

how many politicians have you voted for that reduced the number of laws?

Trump is the only one I’ve heard talk about doing it.

More laws give the opportunity for a state or town to generate more revenue. That’s usually what it’s about.

[WuWei]

@Eagle-Keeper

@WuWei

@vaard

how many politicians have you voted for that reduced the number of laws?

Trump is the only one I’ve heard talk about doing it.

More laws give the opportunity for a state or town to generate more revenue. That’s usually what it’s about.

That’s a big part of it no doubt. It also has to do with the illusion of control.

[Impenitent]

maybe some entrepreneur will open a privatized license plate manufacturing company…

experience preferred…

[Janet_Miller]

'Demolish that lie': James Forman Jr takes on Black Lives Matter backlash

Tough drug laws that tend to penalize many black defendants come at least in part from black leaders and voters who supported tough on crime approaches.