Latest news on NYC’s vaccine mandate

Jezcoe · 2021-12-16T20:25:02.164Z

johnwk2:

And, as I previously pointed out to your above assertion, if instead we simply applied our judicial system’s protection of strict scrutiny to specific mandates, we wouldn’t have to say “hello again to completely preventable diseases.” Do you agree?

I one mandate is unjust… then why not all mandates?

If a vaccine for Covid cannot be mandated, then how can a vaccine for Mumps be required?

toreyj01 · 2021-12-16T20:28:18.950Z

Jezcoe:

johnwk2:

Yes. You are making stuff up. You asserted “we will have to get rid of every single vaccine mandate ever.”.

No… I didn’t say that.

I said that if the religious conviction against using medicines tested with HEK-293 fetal cell lines then that religious conviction would have to apply to almost all of modern medicine.

Other medications tested on the same fetal cell line. Maalox. Pepto Bismol, Hydroxychloroquine, Albuterol, Lidocaine.

It is quite a list.

Precisely.

komobu · 2021-12-16T20:30:03.410Z

Jezcoe:

If a vaccine for Covid cannot be mandated, then how can a vaccine for Mumps be required?

Is a vaccine for mumps required?

I know it may be required to get into a particular school, but I havent heard of anyone threatening people with job loss or failure to pay for medical insurance if someone doesnt have their vaccine for it, or even use a mumps vaccine as a job requirement. But, perhaps I am wrong and all those things are required.

Jezcoe · 2021-12-16T20:31:10.164Z

komobu:

Jezcoe:

If a vaccine for Covid cannot be mandated, then how can a vaccine for Mumps be required?

Is a vaccine for mumps required?

I know it may be required to get into a particular school, but I havent heard of anyone threatening people with job loss or failure to pay for medical insurance if someone doesnt have their vaccine for it, or even use a mumps vaccine as a job requirement. But, perhaps I am wrong and all those things are required.

A mandate is a mandate.

What makes a mandate for a child different than a mandate for an adult?

johnwk2 · 2021-12-16T20:33:40.080Z

toreyj01:

Jezcoe:

johnwk2:

Yes. You are making stuff up. You asserted “we will have to get rid of every single vaccine mandate ever.”.

No… I didn’t say that.

I said that if the religious conviction against using medicines tested with HEK-293 fetal cell lines then that religious conviction would have to apply to almost all of modern medicine.

Other medications tested on the same fetal cell line. Maalox. Pepto Bismol, Hydroxychloroquine, Albuterol, Lidocaine.

It is quite a list.

Precisely.

What, precisely, does your post have to do with “. . . if instead we simply applied our judicial system’s protection of strict scrutiny to specific mandates, we wouldn’t have to say “hello again to completely preventable diseases.” Do you agree?” . . . and is what was being discussed?

JWK

Jezcoe · 2021-12-16T20:34:42.547Z

johnwk2:

toreyj01:

Jezcoe:

johnwk2:

Yes. You are making stuff up. You asserted “we will have to get rid of every single vaccine mandate ever.”.

No… I didn’t say that.

I said that if the religious conviction against using medicines tested with HEK-293 fetal cell lines then that religious conviction would have to apply to almost all of modern medicine.

Other medications tested on the same fetal cell line. Maalox. Pepto Bismol, Hydroxychloroquine, Albuterol, Lidocaine.

It is quite a list.

Precisely.

What, precisely, does your post have to do with “. . . if instead we simply applied our judicial system’s protection of strict scrutiny to specific mandates, we wouldn’t have to say “hello again to completely preventable diseases.” Do you agree?” . . . and is what was being discussed?

JWK

Get rid of all vaccine mandates… we have a return of a lot of preventable disease.

johnwk2 · 2021-12-16T20:38:32.797Z

komobu:

Jezcoe:

If a vaccine for Covid cannot be mandated, then how can a vaccine for Mumps be required?

Is a vaccine for mumps required?

I know it may be required to get into a particular school, but I havent heard of anyone threatening people with job loss or failure to pay for medical insurance if someone doesnt have their vaccine for it, or even use a mumps vaccine as a job requirement. But, perhaps I am wrong and all those things are required.

Just as I expected! You are not going to get an answer which actually addresses your post. The object seems to be bait and switch, obfuscate, deflect, and disrupt any productive discussion regarding the NYC one-size-fits-all approach to the Covid outbreak.

JWK
The Democrat Party Leadership, once an advocate for hard working American citizens and their families, is now their worst nightmare.

komobu · 2021-12-16T20:42:51.933Z

Jezcoe:

A mandate is a mandate.

What makes a mandate for a child different than a mandate for an adult?

Evidently not so.

Where have you seen someone terminated for failure to get a mumps vaccine?

johnwk2 · 2021-12-16T20:44:01.723Z

Jezcoe:

johnwk2:

toreyj01:

Jezcoe:

johnwk2:

Yes. You are making stuff up. You asserted “we will have to get rid of every single vaccine mandate ever.”.

No… I didn’t say that.

I said that if the religious conviction against using medicines tested with HEK-293 fetal cell lines then that religious conviction would have to apply to almost all of modern medicine.

Other medications tested on the same fetal cell line. Maalox. Pepto Bismol, Hydroxychloroquine, Albuterol, Lidocaine.

It is quite a list.

Precisely.

What, precisely, does your post have to do with “. . . if instead we simply applied our judicial system’s protection of strict scrutiny to specific mandates, we wouldn’t have to say “hello again to completely preventable diseases.” Do you agree?” . . . and is what was being discussed?

JWK

Get rid of all vaccine mandates… we have a return of a lot of preventable disease.

So, now you decide to use another old, tired and stupid debating trick. Exaggerate your opponent’s position and then respond to your own stupid exaggeration.

JWK

The Democrat Party Leadership, once an advocate for hard working American citizens and their families, has now GONE MAD]

Jezcoe · 2021-12-16T20:47:42.402Z

johnwk2:

So, now you decide to use another old, tired and stupid debating trick. Exaggerate your opponent’s position and then respond to your own stupid exaggeration.

The thing that sparked this off was a reference to the Nuremburg code that got deleted because of Godwin.

So no… I was not Exaggerating that position.

Jezcoe · 2021-12-16T20:48:50.471Z

komobu:

Jezcoe:

A mandate is a mandate.

What makes a mandate for a child different than a mandate for an adult?

Evidently not so.

Where have you seen someone terminated for failure to get a mumps vaccine?

We can bar children from school for not being vaccinated.

Why can we not bar adults from places for the same thing?

Cratic3947 · 2021-12-16T20:50:39.435Z

There’s no proof the mandates work. So, why do the dems love them so much?

Jezcoe · 2021-12-16T20:56:22.673Z

Cratic3947:

There’s no proof the mandates work. So, why do the dems love them so much?

It works at getting more people vaccinated.

johnwk2 · 2021-12-16T20:57:06.486Z

Jezcoe:

johnwk2:

So, now you decide to use another old, tired and stupid debating trick. Exaggerate your opponent’s position and then respond to your own stupid exaggeration.

The thing that sparked this off was a reference to the Nuremburg code that got deleted because of Godwin.

So no… I was not Exaggerating that position.

You made that comment in regard to what I wrote HERE which had absolutely nothing to do with the “Nuremburg code”.

So yes! In response to what I wrote, you decided to use another old, tired and stupid debating trick. Exaggerate your opponent’s position and then respond to your own stupid exaggeration.

Why do you find in necessary to disrupt a productive discussion?

JWK

The Democrat Party Leadership, once an advocate for hard working American citizens and their families, is now their worst nightmare.

Jezcoe · 2021-12-16T21:01:29.714Z

johnwk2:

You made that comment in regard to what I wrote HERE which had absolutely nothing to do with the “Nuremburg code”.

The post I was responding to has been removed by a mod.

johnwk2 · 2021-12-16T21:06:17.018Z

Jezcoe:

johnwk2:

You made that comment in regard to what I wrote HERE which had absolutely nothing to do with the “Nuremburg code”.

The post I was responding to has been removed by a mod.

Now you are making stuff up. In response to what I wrote HERE, you wrote:

“Get rid of all vaccine mandates… we have a return of a lot of preventable disease”.

Stop making stuff up in such an important discussion.

JWK

zantax · 2021-12-16T21:08:17.377Z

Jezcoe:

johnwk2:

Jezcoe:

johnwk2:

Yes. You are making stuff up. You asserted “we will have to get rid of every single vaccine mandate ever.”.

No… I didn’t say that.

You specificallywrote:

"Then we will have to get rid of every single vaccine mandate ever.

Say hello again to completely preventable diseases."

That is not true. Our judicial system needs to apply the protection of strict scrutiny to specific mandates.

JWK

Oh yeah… if we were to apply the Nuremburg codes to vaccine mandates like some claim that we should to Covid vaccines then we would have to get rid of all vaccine mandates.

Do that… say hello to measles again. Say hello to pertussis. Say hello to a ton of preventable diseases that we don’t have around anymore.

That’s a large assumption. Most high-risk people got vaccinated for Covid without a mandate. Most parents would vaccinate their children without mandates as well. I got vaccinated, I am under no mandate.

zantax · 2021-12-16T21:10:21.362Z

Jezcoe:

komobu:

Jezcoe:

A mandate is a mandate.

What makes a mandate for a child different than a mandate for an adult?

Evidently not so.

Where have you seen someone terminated for failure to get a mumps vaccine?

We can bar children from school for not being vaccinated.

Why can we not bar adults from places for the same thing?

Which of those vaccines are mandatory if the student in question already had and recovered from the target disease?

Jezcoe · 2021-12-16T21:23:47.208Z

johnwk2:

Jezcoe:

johnwk2:

You made that comment in regard to what I wrote HERE which had absolutely nothing to do with the “Nuremburg code”.

The post I was responding to has been removed by a mod.

Now you are making stuff up. In response to what I wrote HERE, you wrote:

“Get rid of all vaccine mandates… we have a return of a lot of preventable disease”.

Stop making stuff up in such an important discussion.

JWK

The initial response was to a post that has been removed by a mod.

I am not sure how many times I need to say it.

Jezcoe · 2021-12-16T21:24:19.330Z

zantax:

Jezcoe:

komobu:

Jezcoe:

A mandate is a mandate.

What makes a mandate for a child different than a mandate for an adult?

Evidently not so.

Where have you seen someone terminated for failure to get a mumps vaccine?

We can bar children from school for not being vaccinated.

Why can we not bar adults from places for the same thing?

Which of those vaccines are mandatory if the student in question already had and recovered from the target disease?

Yes. Yes they are.