Largest insurer slams medicare for all

wiley8425 · 2019-04-17T21:16:22.143Z

You just said my link disagrees with me. I find that hard to believe. Care to elaborate? I think you’ve backed yourself into a corner and are trying to deflect now.

FreeAndClear · 2019-04-17T21:18:47.034Z

It does
From the link

Among other features, the Chafee bill included:

An individual mandate;
Creation of purchasing pools;
Standardized benefits;
Vouchers for the poor to buy insurance;
A ban on denying coverage based on a pre-existing condition.

Now let’s try again I said system. I choose my words carefully when i posts here so i don’t have to deal with semantics. Keep trying though.

wiley8425 · 2019-04-17T21:25:28.598Z

And again,

your individual mandate in the ACA included the shared responsibility payment compared to the Chafee bill :

the Chafee bill required employers to offer insurance, but they were under no obligation to help pay for it.

You’re also ignoring that many conservatives were against the Chafee bill. Just as many were against the ACA. Just as many are against single payer. More than likely all for the same reason.

What was the point in bringing up the Heritage Foundation in the first place other than to paint this as a Conservative idea? There is nothing Conservative about adding another level of government to anything. It is the exact opposite of Conservative. Constitutionally limited government. That’s Conservative. Where is the enumerated power for Healthcare under Article 1, Section 8? Where is the enumerated power for bailouts under Article 1, Section 8? How about medicare? You think it’s Conservatives pushing for more government? Really?

GrandWazoo · 2019-04-17T21:35:12.092Z

It seems that the candidates that are in favor for a Medicare For All program do have different ways that it would be implemented and how it would function. If you consider that standard Medicare is the same as non-Medicare insurance where they both are 80/20 plans, then the insurance companies would make a profit selling supplemental insurance to cover the 20%. And I have heard that some of the candidates are proposing that you can keep your private or your employer based insurance if you wish.
So we really don’t know what a final version might look like at this time.
Years ago I was diagnosed that I needed both knees replaced. I put it off for three years and lived with the pain so I could get on Medicare. After I had the replacements I got the bill and figured out that by waiting for the Medicare I saved over $72K for my pain. And that is money that I am now investing in the economy.

FreeAndClear · 2019-04-17T21:47:09.675Z

To point out that Obama was a corporatist as i did earlier and the whole system benefits private health insurance more than it does individuals. That was the point

wiley8425 · 2019-04-17T22:00:26.428Z

A corporatist who was pushing something that would effectively eliminate the private Insurance industry? How does that work?

Of course Obama may no longer support Single Payer after the ACA was passed, but he certainly pushed for it before he was elected. Then again, his party is pushing for single payer now, so maybe he flipped again and supports it now.

(Obama in 2003 stating he was a proponent of Single Payer.)

Not that any of that really matters. The same arguments were being made years ago that are being made now. There is no enumerated power under the Constitution for the Federal Government to create a law mandating people buy Health Insurance. That’s why the ACA should have been ruled Unconstitutional to begin with.

(John Stewart and O’Reilly debating single payer back in 2012.)

Tilly_jow · 2019-04-17T22:50:49.908Z

The plan was that the ACA would eventually morph into a single payer system.

wiley8425 · 2019-04-17T22:51:16.226Z

Well that makes it better.

highroller · 2019-04-17T23:00:13.621Z

Really? If there’s one thing I never heard it’s: “Those Democrats are so good at playing multi dimensional chess!”

You can’t be completely incompetent and brilliant schemers at the same time. Unless, of course, they’re so brilliant that they look stupid…

FreeAndClear · 2019-04-17T23:00:57.316Z

Right and as a constitutional argument and the welfare clause argument and the unruly expansion of the interstate commerce. All those are arguments.

That acá was specifically designed to usher in single payer is a ridiculous argument.

Obama was a proponent of single payer. But he wound up being a corporatist. Bailouts etc.

Tilly_jow · 2019-04-17T23:01:38.351Z

Yes, yes it would. The sooner we leave this behind the better.

Tilly_jow · 2019-04-17T23:06:28.375Z

highroller:

Really? If there’s one thing I never heard it’s: “Those Democrats are so good at playing multi dimensional chess!”

You can’t be completely incompetent and brilliant schemers at the same time. Unless, of course, they’re so brilliant that they look stupid…

And some posts are so ridiculous there’s no reason to go into them in any length.

altair1013 · 2019-04-17T23:07:16.165Z

Borgia_dude:

It worked in 2016.

Nope. There was nobody running who had anything to do with the economy in 2016. That said, even I am shocked at how well the nation is doing under the president. Simply shocking.

altair1013 · 2019-04-17T23:11:38.454Z

dderatz:

Yes.

Yes.

Medicare for all means all.

Not to congress it doesn’t. It’s a lie. They have no intention of giving up their plan for Medicare. They want you to give up YOUR plan. It’s not Medicare for all. It’s Medicare for Y 'all.

altair1013 · 2019-04-17T23:38:21.482Z

party-free:

Have you read anything about him, other than what Fox and right-wing pundits tell you?

What did the Fox pundits tell me?

party-free · 2019-04-17T23:47:22.179Z

You tell me. You gush in the warm embrace of Fox. So what have they told you about him?

altair1013 · 2019-04-17T23:48:58.277Z

party-free:

You tell me. You gush in the warm embrace of Fox. So what have they told you about him?

If you watched you wouldn’t have to ask. I’m not going to do your research. You must belong to the club.

party-free · 2019-04-18T00:10:43.055Z

I didn’t ask you to write a thesis. I simply asked you a question. You know, like Fox hosts often like to do-they just ask the tough questions no one else will ask. Like me!

Oldandtired · 2019-04-18T00:14:52.323Z

No, the ACA came about because there were red state dem’s who would not get on board with single payer. Because they knew that in the next election they would be voted out by angry voters. This was the dem’s way to get their vote so they could get something anything passed.
And look what happened to those red state dems in the next midterms. They were gone. They should have listened to the people who elected them and not the leftist.

altair1013 · 2019-04-18T01:10:22.898Z

party-free:

I didn’t ask you to write a thesis. I simply asked you a question. You know, like Fox hosts often like to do-they just ask the tough questions no one else will ask. Like me!

They get paid to ask questions. It’s pretty much their only job. I do not.
If you really want to know what they say. Watch the show. If you don’t, then do not watch it. The choice is yours. I’m not giving a play by play analysis of FNC. If I want to give FNC updates, I will give them. If I don’t then I will not. Fair enough?

BTW Hannity is on right now and he’s on a roll.