Kellogg strike - where do you stand on this?

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@WuWei

I don’t “support” necessary evils. I tolerate them.

Or, to rephrase - you don’t endlessly whine about government intervention in the private sector when it’s something you support.

I bet a lot of people out there believe public accommodation laws are a necessary evil.

[Tom_Ch]

@Call_me_Ishmael

@Tom_Ch

So your solution is to keep paying fastfood worker less? Instead of paying teacher more?

Ummmm. No. My solution is that the fast food worker learn a skill that pays more.

Your solution is an endless cycle of rising labor costs with no increase in productivity or the value that labor brings to the table. It’s a recipe for inflation. It doesn’t help the poor low wage earner.

My solution is to have minimum wage keep up with inflation.

I made 3.25$ per hour at McDonald’s in 1984.

35 years later minimum wage is only double that.

Big Mac in 1984 $1.60. Today is 4.75$.

[GWH]

@Tom_Ch

I like Culver’s and steak and shake.

I lost my gall bladder to Culver’s a while back.

[Toll_Collector]

@Tom_Ch

@Call_me_Ishmael

@Tom_Ch

So your solution is to keep paying fastfood worker less? Instead of paying teacher more?

Ummmm. No. My solution is that the fast food worker learn a skill that pays more.

Your solution is an endless cycle of rising labor costs with no increase in productivity or the value that labor brings to the table. It’s a recipe for inflation. It doesn’t help the poor low wage earner.

My solution is to have minimum wage keep up with inflation.

I made 3.25$ per hour at McDonald’s in 1984.

35 years later minimum wage is only double that.

Big Mac in 1984 $1.60. Today is 4.75$.

Wasn’t it 3.35? Nitpicking, I know.

Don’t they already adjust for inflation here in NJ? You’re still broke here in NJ at minimum wage.

I worked briefly for 3.35 back in 1984. About 2 months. It was a great motivator for me. Not only was it insulting, but beggars on the corner were pulling in more than me.

I was still living at home so I could have done it. But when I get a job I want to be able to do the job to the best of my ability. So I quit because I could not justify working for that amount of peanuts. Got a job at UPS a few months later. Busted my ass, but at least I was being paid 8 an hour for it.

[WuWei]

@TheDoctorIsIn

@WuWei

I don’t “support” necessary evils. I tolerate them.

Or, to rephrase - you don’t endlessly whine about government intervention in the private sector when it’s something you support.

I bet a lot of people out there believe public accommodation laws are a necessary evil.

No need to “rephrase”. I said what I meant.

[WuWei]

@Tom_Ch

35 years later minimum wage is only double that.

How old were you?

[Tom_Ch]

@WuWei

@Tom_Ch

35 years later minimum wage is only double that.

How old were you?

About 13.

[WuWei]

@Tom_Ch

@WuWei

@Tom_Ch

35 years later minimum wage is only double that.

How old were you?

About 13.

Do you see the problem?

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@Tom_Ch

My solution is to have minimum wage keep up with inflation.

I made 3.25$ per hour at McDonald’s in 1984.

35 years later minimum wage is only double that.

Big Mac in 1984 $1.60. Today is 4.75$.

Guaranteed that the greater cost is due to regulations from the very same government that legislated minimum wage increases.

Maybe the government should stay out of the business of business.

[Janet_Miller]

“My solution is that the fast food worker learn a skill that pays more.”

Some do, and for them, it’s their ticket out. For most, fast food isn’t permanent employment. Increasingly, employers like McDonalds, Starbucks and Chipotle Grill offer some tuition assistance.

However, from what I’ve observed, I’m really starting to wonder about the utility of various vocational education programs. I work a job that only requires a high school diploma.

A few have gotten them those “skills that pay more”, and the skills they learned got them licensure. One failed to find a job in his chosen field—apparently one in desperate need of skilled professionals—and returned to his old job.

The other has several certifications and has never worked in any of those fields, remains employed in a field that she has come to dislike. I understand her frustration.

Not all are able to attend school, and even those who do don’t always get that jump start to their careers. If nothing else, I don’t object to a minimum wage increase on a state only level—if for no other reason to decrease these workers’ dependence on various public assistance programs.

[Janet_Miller]

OTOH Since COVID-19, the number of students enrolled in hands on vocational programs has dropped:

Number of students enrolled in job-focused degree programs dropping by double...

While I’m skeptical that everyone enrolled in these programs will be able to find work, they can be learning opportunities that increase the chances of doing so. And if someone is avoiding taking this chance because of moronic ■■■■ reasons like “staying safe”, God, the language of the pandemic is imbeclic, that’s on them and not related to the efficiency of such programs.

Maybe enrollment in such programs either with employment with tuition assistance or through state voc rehab programs should be a condition of receiving public assistance.

[Striker840]

@Janet_Miller

OTOH Since COVID-19, the number of students enrolled in hands on vocational programs has dropped:

https://hechingerreport.org/students-enrolled-in-job-focused-degree-programs-dropping/

While I’m skeptical that everyone enrolled in these programs will be able to find work, they can be learning opportunities that increase the chances of doing so. And if someone is avoiding taking this chance because of moronic ■■■■ reasons like “staying safe”, God, the language of the pandemic is imbeclic, that’s on them and not related to the efficiency of such programs.

Maybe enrollment in such programs either with employment with tuition assistance or through state voc rehab programs should be a condition of receiving public assistance.

We will always need plumbers, iron workers, electricians, heavy equipment operators and mechanics, carpenters, welders, pipe fitters, etc.

Problem is many expect to be making top dollar when they graduate and are beginners with no real-world experience. Once they find out they have to start at the low end and work up they get pissed and quit.

[WuWei]

McDonald’s does not have a company-wide requirement to do a pre-employment drug test as of 2021. Since many McDonald’s restaurants are owned by a franchisee, it is up to the owner on whether or not to drug test. Typically, drug tests only happen at McDonald’s when an accident occurs or drug use is suspected at work.

Does McDonald’s Drug Test In 2024? (All You Need To Know)

[Janet_Miller]

Seems like a more reasonable drug testing policy than requiring it for all new hires in every location.

[Camp]

Looks like they have a new contract.

Kellogg's reaches tentative agreement with its 1,400 striking cereal plant...

[WuWei]

@Janet_Miller

Seems like a more reasonable drug testing policy than requiring it for all new hires in every location.

Oh I don’t disagree. Could be a reason it became a “career” for some.

[Rurudyne]

You give primacy to the rights of the organizers and the organization.

I defer to the individual and his rights.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@Rurudyne

You give primacy to the rights of the organizers and the organization.

I defer to the individual and his rights.

Individuals do not magically lose their rights when they organize.

What individual rights are you referring to?

[Rurudyne]

You really have no idea about the history of labor that helped to inform the creation of this country and the right of Free Labor to tell those who demand they join such groups to sod off was fought for. You only know the stale top down progressive corruption that came later.