One and only Kavenaugh Hearings Thread (part 1)

[Samm]

@Snow96

extending the deadline SIX times is bad optics? Really. How many times should it be extended. Googlemaps shows 41 hours of drive time from California coast to washington dc. She needs to get her ass in a car seat and start driving since she refuses to fly out.

I hear that she is trying to book passage on a clipper ship around the horn. She anticipated she should be arriving on the east coast in February or March.

[GWH]

Feinstein doesn’t believe her.

[reflechissez]

@GWH

Feinstein doesn’t believe her.

Ok…

[Samm]

@lulubee

@Snow96

Why didn’t Fienstein bring for the accusation earlier so they committee could do more of an investigation. FBI probably looked at the letter and said, not much we can do on a 40 year old case.

Because the women asked her to keep the information confidential until further notice. It wasn’t until her name got out that Feinstein felt she could then make what she knew public.

Did you read the letter and Feinstein’s statement? If you did you would know the answer to your question.

And, for the umpteenth time, the optics of all male Republican judiciary committee majority doing this deadline crap and not agreeing to ask for an investigation before they vote is just bad. Don’t believe me and keep sticking your head in the sand. That’s fine by me.

Feinstein publically dropped the accusations of the letter at the eleventh hour without the name or specifics. Now Feinstein’s camp is suggesting that someone on her staff leaked the information to the media which forced her hand.

Do you want to buy a bridge in Brooklyn?

[Forcefield]

Some of you will never learn. The lost art of shutting up in full force. If she isn’t credible, and Senators do not start to feel political pressure to drop support, then this guy will be a Supreme Court Justice. If not, you’re all going to look like a bunch of really nasty people trying to mansplain how a woman should process being date raped.

BK doesn’t have a “right” to be a SCJ.

Let the process do it’s thing.

[Samm]

@Vigilante

@Samm

@Vigilante

@Snow96

She doesn’t say she only had one beer. It says they started with a beer but the other two had been drinking more before she arrived.

We don’t know how much she consumed between the first beer and the alleged incient.

At 15 Im sure she hadnt built up much tolerance. You can assume she was loaded. You can aslo assume the culture of her peers this was encouraged. Doesn’t change the fact she was 15.

That is another factor that affects the credibility of her story. She not only did not have the tolerance to alcohol, which is well known to impair both perception and memory, but also she did not have the life experience to be able to distinguish between a groping and an attempted rape. I have no doubt that she was groped by someone, but there is serious doubt that her recollection of the incident is accurate. Her truth is not necessarily THE truth.

You know the last time I was pinned with a hand over my mouth was in Wrestling class. I didnt know I was being sexually assaulted. Im sure you are right.

If the two boys in the room with her had intended to rape her, she would not have been able to get away, she would have been raped. Yeah, no doubt that they probably wanted to have sex with her, but when she had the opportunity to leave, they let her go. She was a victim of sexual assault, not attempted rape.

[Samm]

@reflechissez

@Samm

Her truth is not necessarily THE truth.

Nor is yours.

I haven’t professed to know the truth on this matter. Do you know THE truth?

[GWH]

The process was bringing the allegations forth in committee. This is a stall.

[reflechissez]

@Samm

She was a victim of sexual assault, not attempted rape.

How do you know that. Is this part of THE truth?

[DougBH]

@WuWei

@calirepub

I’ve said it before. If you don’t want to get raped, you shouldn’t be attending underaged drinking parties where Kavanaugh liked to go.

She wasn’t raped.

But sticking to the facts is so boring.

[Vigilante]

@Samm

@Vigilante

@Samm

@Vigilante

@Snow96

She doesn’t say she only had one beer. It says they started with a beer but the other two had been drinking more before she arrived.

We don’t know how much she consumed between the first beer and the alleged incient.

At 15 Im sure she hadnt built up much tolerance. You can assume she was loaded. You can aslo assume the culture of her peers this was encouraged. Doesn’t change the fact she was 15.

That is another factor that affects the credibility of her story. She not only did not have the tolerance to alcohol, which is well known to impair both perception and memory, but also she did not have the life experience to be able to distinguish between a groping and an attempted rape. I have no doubt that she was groped by someone, but there is serious doubt that her recollection of the incident is accurate. Her truth is not necessarily THE truth.

You know the last time I was pinned with a hand over my mouth was in Wrestling class. I didnt know I was being sexually assaulted. Im sure you are right.

If the two boys in the room with her had intended to rape her, she would not have been able to get away, she would have been raped. Yeah, no doubt that they probably wanted to have sex with her, but when she had the opportunity to leave, they let her go. She was a victim of sexual assault, not attempted rape.

You seem very sure she would have been raped. You state it as fact. I wonder how you know this.

[DougBH]

@calirepub

Yeah. It was only attempted rape.

There is absolutely no way to determine that there was any thought of such a thing. All we know from her own statement is that she went up to a bedroom with two drunk boys, was pushed on the bed, one of them whom she identified as Kavanaugh after 36 years started to remove some of her clothes and they stopped. The presumption should be they stopped when she wanted them to stop, shouldn’t it? Could she herself have stopped two football players, if the story is true?

[Vigilante]

@Samm

@lulubee

@Snow96

Why didn’t Fienstein bring for the accusation earlier so they committee could do more of an investigation. FBI probably looked at the letter and said, not much we can do on a 40 year old case.

Because the women asked her to keep the information confidential until further notice. It wasn’t until her name got out that Feinstein felt she could then make what she knew public.

Did you read the letter and Feinstein’s statement? If you did you would know the answer to your question.

And, for the umpteenth time, the optics of all male Republican judiciary committee majority doing this deadline crap and not agreeing to ask for an investigation before they vote is just bad. Don’t believe me and keep sticking your head in the sand. That’s fine by me.

Feinstein publically dropped the accusations of the letter at the eleventh hour without the name or specifics. Now Feinstein’s camp is suggesting that someone on her staff leaked the information to the media which forced her hand.

Do you want to buy a bridge in Brooklyn?

Youve been watching FOX againn

[BillBrown]

@MidwestIndy

At that same time if you make an allegation and it’s proven to be false or a lie, you should be held liable criminally and civilly to to the fullest extend of the law.

It doesn’t work that way in a civil case.
If Kavanaugh sues her for libel, she has to prove that it actually happened. If he does- and I hope he does- I wouldn’t want to be her.

[DougBH]

@reflechissez

@Samm

She was a victim of sexual assault, not attempted rape.

How do you know that. Is this part of THE truth?

True. We don’t even know if she was really a victim of sexual assault.

[reflechissez]

@BillBrown

@MidwestIndy

At that same time if you make an allegation and it’s proven to be false or a lie, you should be held liable criminally and civilly to to the fullest extend of the law.

It doesn’t work that way in a civil case.
If Kavanaugh sues her for libel, she has to prove that it actually happened. If he does- and I hope he does- I wouldn’t want to be her.

You may want to brush up on the law.

[BillBrown]

@reflechissez

@BillBrown

@MidwestIndy

At that same time if you make an allegation and it’s proven to be false or a lie, you should be held liable criminally and civilly to to the fullest extend of the law.

It doesn’t work that way in a civil case.
If Kavanaugh sues her for libel, she has to prove that it actually happened. If he does- and I hope he does- I wouldn’t want to be her.

You may want to brush up on the law.

Or I may not want to. Truth is the only defense against libel. To defend against a libel suit, she will have to prove that her allegations are the truth.

[MidwestIndy]

@BillBrown

@MidwestIndy

At that same time if you make an allegation and it’s proven to be false or a lie, you should be held liable criminally and civilly to to the fullest extend of the law.

It doesn’t work that way in a civil case.
If Kavanaugh sues her for libel, she has to prove that it actually happened. If he does- and I hope he does- I wouldn’t want to be her.

He won’t, you know that, for more than a few reasons.

[BillBrown]

@MidwestIndy

@BillBrown

@MidwestIndy

At that same time if you make an allegation and it’s proven to be false or a lie, you should be held liable criminally and civilly to to the fullest extend of the law.

It doesn’t work that way in a civil case.
If Kavanaugh sues her for libel, she has to prove that it actually happened. If he does- and I hope he does- I wouldn’t want to be her.

He won’t, you know that, for more than a few reasons.

Neither of us know whether he will or not.
He’s hired an attorney that specializes in defamation.

[reflechissez]

@BillBrown

@reflechissez

@BillBrown

@MidwestIndy

At that same time if you make an allegation and it’s proven to be false or a lie, you should be held liable criminally and civilly to to the fullest extend of the law.

It doesn’t work that way in a civil case.
If Kavanaugh sues her for libel, she has to prove that it actually happened. If he does- and I hope he does- I wouldn’t want to be her.

You may want to brush up on the law.

Or I may not want to. Truth is the only defense against libel. To defend against a libel suit, she will have to prove that her allegations are the truth.

The plaintiff is responsible for proving his/her case. I can’t believe you don’t know this.