Kansas will be the next hot spot

WildRose · 2020-04-10T11:20:33.308Z

Read your own post to which I replied. You’ll “get it”.

H_Arendt:

WildRose:

No, only when such speech presents a clear and present danger to innocents.

You can’t make that argument here.

Even then, the courts say the curtailments must be the least restrictive means possible to achieve that end and those exceptions are extremely rare.

Anyone practicing decent hygienic standards and taking normal precautions against catching any respiratory virus can mitigate that threat so there is no justification for it.

There is no medical basis for your last statement. The courts have imposed limits to prevent harm to individuals – innocence or guilt does not enter into it. This matter clearly rises to that standard.

NuffSaid · 2020-04-10T11:32:20.564Z

coolidge:

So let’s get this straight. Christians have no rights but dont even think about not baking a cake for homosexuals. Is that about right for the liberal philosophy?

Wow, dunno what cakes have to do with corona virus, but whatevs.

If Christians want to gather in large groups, they are more than welcome to. Social distancing has been working, dunno why folks cannot worship at home, via skype or other media.

But…if several parishioners get the Democratic hoax, then instead of wasting hospital beds and tests, they can stay at home and pray it away.

GWH · 2020-04-10T12:02:06.955Z

Only if they’re acting irresponsibly.

PeterGriffin · 2020-04-10T12:11:45.570Z

You don’t either. It’s just something you can wave around for politics.

Churches never cared about abortion either. Southern Baptists wrote abortion off as some weird Catholic thing.

Except when churches couldn’t use segregation as an organization omg took and for fund raising, then abortion became the replacement for segregation.

Churches aren’t especially “moral”, and it’s becoming clear that evengelical Christianity isn’t even a real religion, it’s a political system that uses a deity and wedge issues like abortion to maintain control of its followers.

H_Arendt · 2020-04-10T12:30:24.101Z

WildRose:

Read your own post to which I replied. You’ll “get it”.

H_Arendt:

WildRose:

No, only when such speech presents a clear and present danger to innocents.

You can’t make that argument here.

Even then, the courts say the curtailments must be the least restrictive means possible to achieve that end and those exceptions are extremely rare.

Anyone practicing decent hygienic standards and taking normal precautions against catching any respiratory virus can mitigate that threat so there is no justification for it.

There is no medical basis for your last statement. The courts have imposed limits to prevent harm to individuals – innocence or guilt does not enter into it. This matter clearly rises to that standard.

I get it now. What confused me was that you wrote wouldn’t when you meant “would”

As I think about it more I tend to agree with you… based on the Supreme Court decision regarding the Wisconsin Primary this week. The five conservatives on the court stated in their decision that the courts should not make last minute changes to election procedure “in ordinary circumstances.” Clearly the conservatives on the court view what is happening today as ordinary circumstances… I suppose they are not worried about getting laid off.

As long as the courts view the current US situation as “ordinary” they would probably rule against limiting church assemblies.

It is interesting though that none of the conservative justices elected to take responsibility as the author of that decision.

I wonder if most Americans agree with these give gentlemen that these are “ordinary” times?

gooddad409 · 2020-04-10T14:04:44.653Z

AlexMcAlpine:

gooddad409:

The supreme irony is about 2000 lives per day are snuffed out in those clinics and the left doesn’t seem to care about those.

Because they are not lives. They are foetus, the vast majority aborted before they are even a mote.

They are unborn babies. The callousness of the left in regards to them is amazing unfortunately.

moonshine · 2020-04-10T14:05:57.342Z

anod now ammon bundy of standoff fame wants to hold a gathering of several hundred people in idaho “to secure his rights”

the same thing should be done if he does it. enforced quarantine. prevent anyone from leaving for 2 weeks. air dropped MRE’s

coolidge · 2020-04-10T14:06:34.486Z

Bakers not baking a cake for homosexuals was told by many liberals here to be an infringement on homosexuals rights. Just proves the hypocrisy among liberals.
I guess playing ignorance is bliss.

moonshine · 2020-04-10T14:08:31.343Z

in 1905 the supreme court wrote ALL constitutional rights could be suspended in a public health emergency

if someone hold a large gathering in defiance of stay at home. lock them up for 2 weeks in enforced quarantine. period

NuffSaid · 2020-04-10T14:10:40.127Z

coolidge:

Bakers not baking a cake for homosexuals was told by many liberals here to be an infringement on homosexuals rights. Just proves the hypocrisy among liberals.
I guess playing ignorance is bliss.

Experts are saying to continue social distancing. It’s working.
If some idiot wants to ignore that so a bunch of people can gather to help spread the virus faster, I don’t give a ■■■■■ Just don’t clog up the hospitals. Stay at home. Let Jesus remove the virus.

To me, it seems real dumb to want to gather when the same thing could be done in the safety of their own home.

But hey. Who needs science when we have Jesus, right?

WorldWatcher · 2020-04-10T15:27:06.452Z

hwyflier:

The communion wafers don’t fly very well and I doubt Padre can hit my mouth with his wine cannon at 6ft.

I can think of two methods off the top of my head to be able to provide communion wafers that would be safer. Given some thought smart people will be able to ID other alternatives.

#1 It is blessed, placed on a small napkin, the napkin is placed on a 6 foot pole with a flat surface (think of a shovel shape) but lighter, it wouldn’t have to be heavy duty as there isn’t much weight involved. the member of the congregation then takes the communion wafer.

#2 The Priest blesses the wafers that have been set out on a cart - again in individual napkins. In turn each parishioner comes forward and takes their communion wafer.

I grew up in the Catholic Church and don’t remember any requirement that the Priest handle it with his bare hands and place it on your tongue.
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LucyLou · 2020-04-10T16:11:46.282Z

moonshine:

anod now ammon bundy of standoff fame wants to hold a gathering of several hundred people in idaho “to secure his rights”

the same thing should be done if he does it. enforced quarantine. prevent anyone from leaving for 2 weeks. air dropped MRE’s

I say let them. Just let them.

moonshine · 2020-04-10T18:13:17.808Z

just dont let them out again to infect other

altair1013 · 2020-04-10T18:16:05.951Z

AlexMcAlpine:

When Kansas becomes the next hot spot for cases and deaths, I hope the church parishioners put the blame where it properly lies.

I hope it doesn’t even happen. And so do you. Blame who you wish.

WildRose · 2020-04-10T19:23:07.325Z

What a crock of ■■■■■ absolutely baseless.

Borgia_dude · 2020-04-11T11:02:55.653Z

MidwestIndy:

This all came about because of two churches in the Kansas City area who made a big fuss.

It is interesting that those two churches wield enough power to turn the Kansas legislature to their will.

Guvnah · 2020-04-11T14:09:22.788Z

WorldWatcher:

I grew up in the Catholic Church and don’t remember any requirement that the Priest handle it with his bare hands and place it on your tongue.

In Catholic rubrics, Eucharist is to be given, not taken.

WorldWatcher · 2020-04-11T17:28:29.263Z

Guvnah:

WorldWatcher:

I grew up in the Catholic Church and don’t remember any requirement that the Priest handle it with his bare hands and place it on your tongue.

In Catholic rubrics, Eucharist is to be given, not taken.

Thank you for the correction.

However it doesn’t change the principal.
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Guvnah · 2020-04-11T17:31:50.462Z

WorldWatcher:

Thank you for the correction.

However it doesn’t change the principal.

Correct. It doesn’t. I agree with the principle.

WuWei · 2020-04-11T17:41:26.384Z

moonshine:

as far as im concerned if a church has services it whould be cordoned off with the parishioners inside.
drop off MRE’s for them to eat.
dont allow the parishioners out until 2 weeks pass without anyone getting sick.

and once this is over start taxing the churches like any other business.

Or we could just ban them all together.