She is not being asked to do anything pertaining to religion or her Christian faith. It’s purely a legal issue. By asking to be married by a judge, these citizens are expressly avoiding religious marriage.
Sure they do.
(C) participate in activities that would appear to a reasonable person to undermine the judge’s independence,* integrity,* or impartiality;*
The judge refuses to marry a same sex couple as part of her extrajudicial duties. A court case comes up in which a litigant it homosexual or a same sex couple. Prove she would be impartial given her obvious partiality when performing her extrajudicial duty.
Prove she would be impartial given her obvious partiality when performing her extrajudicial duty.
Strzok did it.
SottoVoce:
Prove she would be impartial given her obvious partiality when performing her extrajudicial duty.
Strzok did it.
Maybe you can remind us what happened to Strzok on August 10, 2018.
Not sure the validity of the comparison anyway. An FBI agent’s personal text messages versus a judge openly refusing to marry gay couples. Whatever.
No it isn’t.
It’s about her not performing the service and referring couples to someone who will.
Nothing was denied.
The person denied them the service. You can play word games all you want.
Getting married by a Justice of the Peace is the opposite of a religious ceremony, and that judge is not presiding over any kind of religious rite. It is purely a legal thing and as a government employee she needs to do her job.
Very good point. I don’t see how this is debatable.
SottoVoce:
altair1013:
SottoVoce:
Just my two cents, but the only thing gay marriage has caused is for people to have to question and at times defend their beliefs.
Everyone is free to their own beliefs. What they are not free to do is to force that belief on somebody else. Nobody has the right to tell someone else that they must adhere to a certain religious dogma.
Agree. 100%. Believe what you want. Don’t force others to adhere to your beliefs.
This also means don’t brainwash our children with mass media communist athiest, indoctrination
Media are private entities, not public. Parents are private entities, not public. Parents brainwash their kids every day on religions, I don’t see you saying that is wrong.
WuWei:
SottoVoce:
Prove she would be impartial given her obvious partiality when performing her extrajudicial duty.
Strzok did it.
Maybe you can remind us what happened to Strzok on August 10, 2018.
Not sure the validity of the comparison anyway. An FBI agent’s personal text messages versus a judge openly refusing to marry gay couples. Whatever.
He wasn’t fired because he couldn’t separate bias from his job.
You’re not sure of the validity? Strange. Strzok put people in prison. This woman is pointing people down the road.
She should perform the marriages or resign. But get consistent. If Strzok can set bias aside, so can everyone else.
Media are private entities, not public.
Bakeries are private entities, not public.
rp5x5:
SottoVoce:
altair1013:
SottoVoce:
Just my two cents, but the only thing gay marriage has caused is for people to have to question and at times defend their beliefs.
Everyone is free to their own beliefs. What they are not free to do is to force that belief on somebody else. Nobody has the right to tell someone else that they must adhere to a certain religious dogma.
Agree. 100%. Believe what you want. Don’t force others to adhere to your beliefs.
This also means don’t brainwash our children with mass media communist athiest, indoctrination
Media are private entities, not public. Parents are private entities, not public. Parents brainwash their kids every day on religions, I don’t see you saying that is wrong.
BS.
MEDIA is public and deceptive. If media is Anti-American. It can go to hell where it belongs.
All the goal of takeovers are well established, whether, nazi, commie, globalist, etc. All of them actively seek to control, media, education, currency,
markets, childbirth, medical, politicians, government and all thought as well.
All of that is Anti-American.
Strangely corporate personhood is there when convenient.
Borgia_dude:
Media are private entities, not public.
Bakeries are private entities, not public.
And subject to PA laws, right?
Borgia_dude:
rp5x5:
SottoVoce:
altair1013:
SottoVoce:
Just my two cents, but the only thing gay marriage has caused is for people to have to question and at times defend their beliefs.
Everyone is free to their own beliefs. What they are not free to do is to force that belief on somebody else. Nobody has the right to tell someone else that they must adhere to a certain religious dogma.
Agree. 100%. Believe what you want. Don’t force others to adhere to your beliefs.
This also means don’t brainwash our children with mass media communist athiest, indoctrination
Media are private entities, not public. Parents are private entities, not public. Parents brainwash their kids every day on religions, I don’t see you saying that is wrong.
BS.
MEDIA is public and deceptive. If media is Anti-American. It can go to hell where it belongs.
Is the media run by the govt?
rp5x5:
Borgia_dude:
rp5x5:
SottoVoce:
altair1013:
SottoVoce:
Just my two cents, but the only thing gay marriage has caused is for people to have to question and at times defend their beliefs.
Everyone is free to their own beliefs. What they are not free to do is to force that belief on somebody else. Nobody has the right to tell someone else that they must adhere to a certain religious dogma.
Agree. 100%. Believe what you want. Don’t force others to adhere to your beliefs.
This also means don’t brainwash our children with mass media communist athiest, indoctrination
Media are private entities, not public. Parents are private entities, not public. Parents brainwash their kids every day on religions, I don’t see you saying that is wrong.
BS.
MEDIA is public and deceptive. If media is Anti-American. It can go to hell where it belongs.
Is the media run by the govt?
A wanna be world government.
SottoVoce:
WuWei:
SottoVoce:
Prove she would be impartial given her obvious partiality when performing her extrajudicial duty.
Strzok did it.
Maybe you can remind us what happened to Strzok on August 10, 2018.
Not sure the validity of the comparison anyway. An FBI agent’s personal text messages versus a judge openly refusing to marry gay couples. Whatever.
He wasn’t fired because he couldn’t separate bias from his job.
You’re not sure of the validity? Strange. Strzok put people in prison. This woman is pointing people down the road.
She should perform the marriages or resign. But get consistent. If Strzok can set bias aside, so can everyone else.
He was quite literally fired for his anti-Trump text messages. Was that not a sign of potential bias or are you saying he wasn’t biased but fired for other reasons?
I’m being completely consistent. If Strzok’s beliefs led to partiality or significant fear of partiality, he should have been dismissed. If this judge’s beliefs and actions lead to significant concern for lack of impartiality, she should also be dismissed.
Borgia_dude:
rp5x5:
Borgia_dude:
rp5x5:
SottoVoce:
altair1013:
SottoVoce:
Just my two cents, but the only thing gay marriage has caused is for people to have to question and at times defend their beliefs.
Everyone is free to their own beliefs. What they are not free to do is to force that belief on somebody else. Nobody has the right to tell someone else that they must adhere to a certain religious dogma.
Agree. 100%. Believe what you want. Don’t force others to adhere to your beliefs.
This also means don’t brainwash our children with mass media communist athiest, indoctrination
Media are private entities, not public. Parents are private entities, not public. Parents brainwash their kids every day on religions, I don’t see you saying that is wrong.
BS.
MEDIA is public and deceptive. If media is Anti-American. It can go to hell where it belongs.
Is the media run by the govt?
A wanna be world government.
I will leave you to your thoughts on this.
Steel-W0LF:
SottoVoce:
Steel-W0LF:
mobulis:
Steel-W0LF:
SottoVoce:
Steel-W0LF:
SottoVoce:
altair1013:
SottoVoce:
Just my two cents, but the only thing gay marriage has caused is for people to have to question and at times defend their beliefs.
Everyone is free to their own beliefs. What they are not free to do is to force that belief on somebody else. Nobody has the right to tell someone else that they must adhere to a certain religious dogma.
Agree. 100%. Believe what you want. Don’t force others to adhere to your beliefs.
Odd. That’s exactly what you all are doing.
False. You have the freedom to believe whatever you want. You don’t have the freedom to use those beliefs to alter the rights and freedoms of others.
Nobody was. That’s another straw man. She was directing people to other judges who would do the marriage.
So yes. It’s exactly as I said. You want her to submit and go against her own beliefs in favor of your own. Definitely not the “believe what you want, just don’t force it on others” that you said earlier. Quite the opposite.
“Believe what I want, or I’ll force it on you” would have been much more accurate.
She is a govt employee, no discriminations.
Irrelevant. It’s not a required duty.
It’s funny though. Back under Obama people not doing their duties was considered the cool thing by libs.
Extrajudicial duties still have requirements. Those were already given. Here’s a refresher.
And?
None of those requirements apply to a marriage license.
Sure they do.
(C) participate in activities that would appear to a reasonable person to undermine the judge’s independence,* integrity,* or impartiality;*
The judge refuses to marry a same sex couple as part of her extrajudicial duties. A court case comes up in which a litigant it homosexual or a same sex couple. Prove she would be impartial given her obvious partiality when performing her extrajudicial duty.
That’s pretty easy.
It was mentioned at the beginning of the thread that she recused herself from those cases also.
That tells me this is attention seeking on her part and not so much about a settled issue of legal consideration.
Maybe she’s just some do-gooder trying to push the boundary a bit. They’re all attention-seekers IMO. That’s just an underlying trait.
Steel-W0LF:
No it isn’t.
It’s about her not performing the service and referring couples to someone who will.
Nothing was denied.
The person denied them the service. You can play word games all you want.
I’m not playing word games. Can I go to the DMV and apply for food stamps? If the answer is “no” then is the DMV denying me a service by telling me which office does do that service?
By your definition: yes. Which is idiocy at its finest.
rp5x5:
Borgia_dude:
rp5x5:
Borgia_dude:
rp5x5:
SottoVoce:
altair1013:
SottoVoce:
Just my two cents, but the only thing gay marriage has caused is for people to have to question and at times defend their beliefs.
Everyone is free to their own beliefs. What they are not free to do is to force that belief on somebody else. Nobody has the right to tell someone else that they must adhere to a certain religious dogma.
Agree. 100%. Believe what you want. Don’t force others to adhere to your beliefs.
This also means don’t brainwash our children with mass media communist athiest, indoctrination
Media are private entities, not public. Parents are private entities, not public. Parents brainwash their kids every day on religions, I don’t see you saying that is wrong.
BS.
MEDIA is public and deceptive. If media is Anti-American. It can go to hell where it belongs.
Is the media run by the govt?
A wanna be world government.
I will leave you to your thoughts on this.
Yeah, I know, that’s just a "conspiracy theory’ …ah no not a theory although it is a conspiracy and it’s going to be over. America knows it.
There is ample proof.
I’m not playing word games. Can I go to the DMV and apply for food stamps? If the answer is “no” then is the DMV denying me a service by telling me which office does do that service?
By your definition: yes. Which is idiocy at its finest.
That analogy doesn’t hold up. She does provide the service already. Just for the “right” people only, though.
She’s not providing a religious service. It’s a government service. These citizens pay her salary and her benefits. She doesn’t get to pick and choose which citizens she is going to deny.
