Judge refuses same sex marriages

[Steel-W0LF]

@TheDoctorIsIn

Well, that’s not what happened.

The Governor doesn’t have oversight over the TCJC. He is not “higher” that the Commission.

In fact, the fact is - if the allegations by the withdrawn candidates are true - it’s a scandal.

Maybe it is.

Doesn’t change the point I was making which you both said was wrong, and has now been shown to be correct.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

Well, it does actually defeat your point, even though I was wrong.

You were trying to portray these rejected candidates as somehow being “reprimanded” - instead of the reality - which is they were corruptly removed as candidates because of Abbott’s attempt to politicize the Commission.

…if their allegations are true.

If not, it defeats your point even more.

[mobulis]

@Samm

@altair1013

Everyone is free to their own beliefs. What they are not free to do is to force that belief on somebody else. Nobody has the right to tell someone else that they must adhere to a certain religious dogma.

Correct. Likewise, nobody has the right to insist that someone else not adhere to a certain religious dogma.

Its not religious.

[mobulis]

@BillBrown

@Borgia_dude

It is empowered by her office. She can decide to do them for all OR she can decide to do them for none.

Where does Texas law say that? It doesn’t.

Where does it say she can pick and choose?

[Steel-W0LF]

@mobulis

@BillBrown

@Borgia_dude

It is empowered by her office. She can decide to do them for all OR she can decide to do them for none.

Where does Texas law say that? It doesn’t.

Where does it say she can pick and choose?

That’s not the way our legal system works…at all.

If you expect the legal system to list out everything a person is allowed to do…wow.

[Steel-W0LF]

@TheDoctorIsIn

Well, it does actually defeat your point, even though I was wrong.

You were trying to portray these rejected candidates as somehow being “reprimanded” - instead of the reality - which is they were corruptly removed as candidates because of Abbott’s attempt to politicize the Commission.

…if their allegations are true.

If not, it defeats your point even more.

http://www.scjc.texas.gov/faqs/

I’ll keep looking. But so far I can’t find anything that says the votes are confidential. Any investigation being confidential is mentioned several places, but so far the panel’s vote doesn’t seem to be.

Maybe it is and I just haven’t found it yet.

[Samm]

@mobulis

@Samm

@altair1013

Everyone is free to their own beliefs. What they are not free to do is to force that belief on somebody else. Nobody has the right to tell someone else that they must adhere to a certain religious dogma.

Correct. Likewise, nobody has the right to insist that someone else not adhere to a certain religious dogma.

Its not religious.

What specifically are you referring to?

[Samm]

@Konssurvative1

Quite honestly, I take back my previous two posts. There is nothing in the job descriptions or duties of a McClellan County JP that says they have to perform any marriage ceremonies. The closest thing I come up with is a list of who is able to and can perform marriage ceremonies. It does not say that a justice of the piece is required to perform any marriage ceremony.

It is a slippery slope at best. I am walking back my previous statements as I have researched a bit and find it to be a very light gray area. LOL.

Good on you.

[Samm]

@biggestal99

@Guvnah

You made up that last sentence based on what you WANT the law to say

She is a public servant. She serves the public.

How hard is that to understand.

The same sex marriage people pay taxes, ie her salary.

And they can’t get married by her.

Lol.

Allan

Why would a same sex couple want to be married by someone who doesn’t want to conduct the ceremony? It’s not like it’s their only option. My bet is that this is like the cake baker and and the florist situations … the gay couple went shopping for someone to make an example of.

[Samm]

@Borgia_dude

@BillBrown

@Borgia_dude

She can decide to do them for all OR she can decide to do them for none.

Where does it say this?:

"She can decide to do them for all OR she can decide to do them for none."

Where does it say that she can’t pick and choose who she marries?

Sorry, that’s just the way govt works. Show me where it says County Clerks can pick and choose which applications they sign. Show me where it says that judges can’t refuse to try all cases involving African-Americans.

Show me. Show me.

Now you are talking about duties.

[mobulis]

@Samm

@mobulis

@Samm

@altair1013

Everyone is free to their own beliefs. What they are not free to do is to force that belief on somebody else. Nobody has the right to tell someone else that they must adhere to a certain religious dogma.

Correct. Likewise, nobody has the right to insist that someone else not adhere to a certain religious dogma.

Its not religious.

What specifically are you referring to?

Her objection is not religious.

[Samm]

@mobulis

@Samm

@mobulis

@Samm

@altair1013

Everyone is free to their own beliefs. What they are not free to do is to force that belief on somebody else. Nobody has the right to tell someone else that they must adhere to a certain religious dogma.

Correct. Likewise, nobody has the right to insist that someone else not adhere to a certain religious dogma.

Its not religious.

What specifically are you referring to?

Her objection is not religious.

Who are you to say? Do you know her personally? Has she told you it’s not about her religious beliefs … that she just doesn’t like gays getting married?

[biggestal99]

@BillBrown

Not a word about any duty to perform marriages:

What Does a Justice of the Peace Do in Texas?

A justice of the peace in Texas has the following duties:

• Hears traffic and other Class C misdemeanor cases punishable by fine only
• Hears civil cases with up to $10,000 in controversy
• Hears landlord and tenant disputes
• Hears truancy cases
• Performs magistrate duties
• Conducts inquests

It’s in the Texas marriage statue 2 202.

Look it up. I did.

Allan

[mobulis]

@Samm

@mobulis

@Samm

@mobulis

@Samm

@altair1013

Everyone is free to their own beliefs. What they are not free to do is to force that belief on somebody else. Nobody has the right to tell someone else that they must adhere to a certain religious dogma.

Correct. Likewise, nobody has the right to insist that someone else not adhere to a certain religious dogma.

Its not religious.

What specifically are you referring to?

Her objection is not religious.

Who are you to say? Do you know her personally? Has she told you it’s not about her religious beliefs … that she just doesn’t like gays getting married?

First, can a person have non-religious beliefs?

[Samm]

@mobulis

@Samm

@mobulis

@Samm

@mobulis

@Samm

@altair1013

Everyone is free to their own beliefs. What they are not free to do is to force that belief on somebody else. Nobody has the right to tell someone else that they must adhere to a certain religious dogma.

Correct. Likewise, nobody has the right to insist that someone else not adhere to a certain religious dogma.

Its not religious.

What specifically are you referring to?

Her objection is not religious.

Who are you to say? Do you know her personally? Has she told you it’s not about her religious beliefs … that she just doesn’t like gays getting married?

First, can a person have non-religious beliefs?

Sure, but that’s not what we are talking about. Note altair’s last sentence. “Nobody has the right to tell someone else that they must adhere to a certain religious dogma.”

[biggestal99]

@BillBrown

It still does not say marriages are a duty. I looked it up.
You lied about it

It can be a duty. Her choice. Do you know what the word may is.

She choose to make it her duty. Other JOP opted out. She opted in.

It’s all about choices. She made hers.

Allan

[BlueTex]

@Samm

Who are you to say? Do you know her personally? Has she told you it’s not about her religious beliefs … that she just doesn’t like gays getting married?

Her office sometimes will tell same-sex couples that the judge is not available, giving them a list of those who will perform same-sex weddings and a document stating, “I’m sorry, but Judge Hensley has a sincerely held religious belief as a Christian, and will not be able to perform any same-sex weddings,” the commission’s order said.

It’s not some great mystery on why she won’t conduct marriage ceremonies for same sex couples…

Waco Judge Issued Warning For Refusing To Perform Same-Sex Marriages

[BlueTex]

@BillBrown

It still does not say marriages are a duty. I looked it up.
You lied about it.

It’s not a duty, it’s is a special power granted by the state for judges… If she uses it, she needs to use it equally…

[mobulis]

@Samm

@mobulis

@Samm

@mobulis

@Samm

@mobulis

@Samm

@altair1013

Everyone is free to their own beliefs. What they are not free to do is to force that belief on somebody else. Nobody has the right to tell someone else that they must adhere to a certain religious dogma.

Correct. Likewise, nobody has the right to insist that someone else not adhere to a certain religious dogma.

Its not religious.

What specifically are you referring to?

Her objection is not religious.

Who are you to say? Do you know her personally? Has she told you it’s not about her religious beliefs … that she just doesn’t like gays getting married?

First, can a person have non-religious beliefs?

Sure, but that’s not what we are talking about. Note altair’s last sentence. “Nobody has the right to tell someone else that they must adhere to a certain religious dogma.”

Then she has to first prove her belief is religious.

[BillBrown]

@biggestal99

@BillBrown

It still does not say marriages are a duty. I looked it up.
You lied about it

It can be a duty. Her choice. Do you know what the word may is.

She choose to make it her duty. Other JOP opted out. She opted in.

It’s all about choices. She made hers.

Allan

Nowhere is there language in Texas law that says a JP chooses what his duties are. If by choosing to perform marriage ceremonies, a JP makes that a duty and obligation, they would be requiring themselves to honor all requests. There may be 100 requests a day. They would be impossible to do and by trying to do them all, thee would be no time for anything else.
The law also says that retired judges may perform marriages. That is the exact same language that is applied to JPs. Do you think that if they do one, they are obligated to honor all requests regardless of the number? You know better than that.