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None of your links are about mail in voting.

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So, now you have decided to make up ■■■■■

In reference to the first article see:

New York Voting Official Warns Voters May Register for Mail-in Ballots with Dead People’s Names

In 2013, Nassau County had 6,000 registered voters who were deceased, more than any other New York county. Around 270 cast their ballots after their deaths, Newsday reported.

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From that same article

“He said it was inevitable that dead people would be posted ballots with universal mail-in voting but these would only affect an election if third parties got them and used them to cast votes.

"The issue then would be voter fraud, not inefficiency. Since those dead ballots are mailed to family residences or returned to sender (election boards), the opportunity for collecting and misusing dead peoples’ ballots is exceedingly small," Schiller wrote.“

What % of fraud should be acceptable with mail in?

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Are we now in agreement that mail-in voting unlocks a nefarious vulnerability in which ballots can, and are, counted of voters not qualified to vote, and of voters who are qualified but did not fill out the ballot and make the choices thereon?

Remember you ASKED FOR EVIDENCE

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Yes, there can be fraud in mail in. There can be fraud in person. No election is fraud free.

How much mail in fraud is acceptable to you? 1% fraud? .001% fraud? 0% is impossible.

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It is not a matter of “can be”. As established HERE the irrefutable fact is, mail-in voting unlocks a nefarious vulnerability in which ballots can, and have been, counted of voters not qualified to vote, and of voters who are qualified but did not fill out the ballot and make the choices thereon. Why, therefor, is there such an advocacy to force no-excuse mail-in voting in every State, and without the people’s consent, by a number of so-called and well-funded, “public interest” groups?

JWK

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Well, PurpnGold? What do you mean by “can be”, when in fact there is?

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You never answered my last question…

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Major, Rabbit-Hole Deflection Alert!

I already addressed the bottom line regarding the elimination of vote stealing and election fraud HERE, in my post to you!

So now, our attention turns to the question of, how many mail-in vote fraud operations are going undetected. We really have no idea! But what we do know is, there is no practical way to confirm that the one who filled out a mail-in ballot and made the choices thereon and sent it in, is the qualified and legitimate voter of that ballot. Perhaps that is why Developed countries ‘ban’ mail-in voting

The irrefutable fact is, mail-in voting presents a nefarious vulnerability in which ballots can, and have been counted, from voters not qualified to vote, and also counted from voters who are qualified but did not fill out the ballot and make the choices thereon.

These facts lead us to another important question. Why is there such an advocacy for “no-excuse” mail-in voting, by a number of dubious well-funded, “public interest” groups, when mail-in voting is rife for fraud, and is undermining our peaceful way for change, which is our election process?

JWK

Let us not forget, the scary truth about allowing no-excuse mail-in voting in one state is, when acts of corruption infect an electoral process in one jurisdiction “they transcend mere local concern and extend a contaminating influence into the national domain.” Justice DOUGLAS in United States v. Classic (1941)”.

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It’s more convenient and garners more participation in our election process. I’m ok with the mail in being 99.99% fraud free. I find .01% fraud to be acceptable, do you?

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You indicate you are ok with mail-in voting, which has proven to be rife for fraud, because it is “… more convenient and garners more participation in our election process”? That simply does not make any sense what-so-ever!

What does make sense is, the current advocacy for “no-excuse” mail-in voting, by a number of dubious well-funded “public interest” groups ___ when mail-in voting allows, and even encourages a nefarious vulnerability in which ballots can, and have been counted, from voters not qualified to vote, and also counted from voters who are qualified but did not fill out the ballot and make the choices thereon ___ is a good indication the ultimate goal of making no-excuse mail-in voting has nothing to do with “convenience” and everything to do with establishing the kind of elections as happens in Cuba, Russia, and China where there is one party authoritarian rule!

In the above mentioned countries, their rulers have no need to engage in voter fraud in order to keep themselves in power. Their evil practices are carried out for all to see, and are backed up with the barrel of a gun.

But here in the United States, our evil doers are a bit more sophisticated. They are very active in undermining our voting system in order to allow manipulated election outcomes, thus preventing the people from removing their oppressors in a peaceful way.

JWK

As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air - however slight - lest we become unwitting victims of darkness.___Supreme Court Justice William Douglas

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Can you quantify “rife with fraud”? How much actually fraud is that vs the total # of mail in votes?

I’m ok with 99.99% fraud free. What are you ok with?

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DEFLECTION ALERT!

Your questions have been repeatedly addressed in the thread. And you avoided defending your comment that you are ok with mail-in voting, which has proven to be rife for fraud, because it is “… more convenient and garners more participation in our election process”, which I took the time to fully address HERE

Are you intentionally avoiding carrying on a productive dialogue?

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It is you who is avoiding a productive dialogue.

I am asking you to quantify “rife with fraud” so I have an understanding of what the overall issue is with actual data.

Again, there were 60 million mail in votes in 2020. How many of those were fraudulent? What does “rife” mean in this context?

If mail in only produced .01% fraud, would you be ok with that? Why or why not?

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A number of examples confirming our election process is rife with fraud have been posted, see, e.g., HERE and HERE, and especially HERE where Wanda was caught.

Now, keep in mind there is absolutely no way, when counting mailed-in ballots, to confirm a mailed-in ballot has been filled out, and the choices made thereon, by the person issued the ballot. So there is no way to give an accurate number of illegal mail-ed in ballots cast and counted.

But we do know, from the examples given, mail-in voting has opened the door for countless creative ways to steal votes and engage in vote fraud.

Now, having once again addressed your question, how about your defending your comment that you are ok with mail-in voting, which has proven to be rife for fraud, because it is “… more convenient and garners more participation in our election process”, which I took the time to fully address HERE?

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Given the examples you gave… mail in voting is absolutely not rife with fraud.

I’ll say it again…in 2020 there were 60 million votes. If 60,000 votes were fraudulent. That would mean that Mai in voting is 99.99% fraud free.

So far you haven’t even shown more than 60 uncaught mail in votes. That would mean that mail in was 99.9999% fraud free.

I’ll take 99.999% fraud free for the convenience of mail in. Why won’t you?

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:roll_eyes:

There is absolutely no way to determine the extent of mail-in ballot vote stealing and fraud [as you attempt to speculate upon] because when counting mailed-in ballots, there is no way to confirm a mailed-in ballot has been filled out, and the choices made thereon, was by the person issued the ballot. Your question is unanswerable.

But we do know, from the examples given, mail-in voting has opened the door for countless creative ways to steal votes and engage in vote fraud.

Now, for the umpteenth time, and having addressed your question as best as it can be addressed, how about you defending your comment that you are ok with mail-in voting, which has proven to be a major target for vote stealing and vote fraud, because, as you say, it is “… more convenient and garners more participation in our election process”, which I took the time to fully address HERE?

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John, please stop cutting off my post.

I addressed this. Care to respond directly to this?

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You failed to mention how many of the 60 million votes were mailed in ballots, and the fact there is no way to confirm a mailed-in ballot has been filled out, and the choices made thereon, was by the person issued the ballot, making it a legitimately cast and counted ballot. So your figure of “99.99% fraud free” is made up ■■■■■

Now, for the umpteenth and one time, and having addressed your question as best as it can be addressed, how about you defending your comment that you are ok with mail-in voting, which has proven to be a major target for vote stealing and vote fraud, because, as you say, it is “… more convenient and garners more participation in our election process”, which I took the time to fully address HERE?

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60 million is the number of mail in ballots in 2020.

Based on evidence available, it’s actually higher than 99.99%.

I did.

Based on evidence available, mail in was virtually fraud free in 2020. Therefore, I see no reason to reduce the convenience to voters by reducing/eliminating mail in.

Even if 60,000 mail in votes were fraudulent in 2020. That would mean that mail in was 99.9% fraud free.

If 600000 mail in votes were fraudulent in 2020. That would mean mail in is 99% fraud free.

1.2 million = 98%

And so on. I’m ok with 99.9% fraud free. Why aren’t you?