JOE WINS! JOE WINS! (Right Libs?)

[Samm]

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@Ben_Natuf

you said at least 3 times in this thread “there was no fraud”

I’ve been very clear that voter fraud was not responsible for Trump losing in 2020. I never once stated that voter fraud doesn’t occur. It obviously does, as evidenced by isolated cases of fraud that have been successfully prosecuted.

But that’s the problem. You admit there was fraud, yet you are insistent that fraud did not cause Trump to lose. You have absolutely no way to support that opinion. I doubt that you believe that all fraud is detected, let alone is prosecuted. So how could you possibly know?

[Samm]

@Oryx

@gooddad409

In order to cut down on the fraud eliminate mail in ballots and require a voter ID.

Both of which dems fight like wildcats against.

The Trump campaign recently launched what it’s calling the “Swamp the Vote” effort, encouraging Republicans to vote early or submit an absentee ballot, ensure registration status and encourage other Trump supporters to vote as well. That’s a reversal for the former president, who has long decried mail voting as “corrupt.”

Trump wants Republicans to vote early. In California, that’s a message the GOP has pushed for years – San Bernardino Sun

I case you are trying to imply something there, early voting is conducted in exactly the same manner as in-person voting on the day of the election. Voter ID required along with signature on the registered voter roll.

[Ben_Natuf]

why are you trying to conflate non-trump cases with trump?

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@Samm

@gooddad409

I’ve mentioned this before but a couple of relatives were told they had already voted when they went to vote in 2020.

One was hugely disappointed because it was going to be his first vote. Just turned old enough.

And it doesn’t take much imagination to see people intercepting mail-out ballots (like they do pension checks) or voting for their granny on her absentee ballot that she doesn’t even know she requested. The opportunities for committing fraud are many, and unless the individual is flat out stupid, the chances of being caught are next to zero.

Lying liberal democrats have spent years on this forum telling us illegal immigration is awesome, that voter id is not needed, that it’s a poll tax or that certain minorities are just too stupid to figure out how to get one…

These people could give a damn about election integrity. Once the votes are cast and in the system oh well…too late!

I’m really curious how come there’s not a lib will to defend this…thanks to Smyrna

“ Anybody watch the train wreck? I can see why not a single supporter rushed here to praise Biden’s performance that was going to prove the debate was just a bad night.

Mail Online – 6 Jul 24

Deluded Biden just gave the middle finger to America! 1

This interview with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, meant to be damage control, has only further enraged Democrat politicians and big donors who are pressing the President to step aside.”?

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Your president is old, senile, too mentally infirm to do the job libs. You’re apparently good with that?

Do you leftists think that clown Biden is mentally capable of even serving the next four months, let alone four more years. For the good of the country I don’t!

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@WuWei

Lie.
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i guess we shall see……

Allan

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@Samm

Leftist crap is like snow in a blizzard. You have to keep shoveling or you’ll get buried.

All of my arguments have been well articulated and cogent. The main premise behind those arguments is at odds with most Trump supporters in this forum. There can be only one explanation, goes the narrative. Peek must have gone over to the dark side. He is now a lefty regurgitating a leftist narrative. We no longer have waste our time debating him. All we need to do is to continue to repeat in unison “leftist narrative”.

That kind of ends further debate, so it is obviously time to move on.

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@Samm

Your analogy is wrong. We have a body. The coroner says it was murder. But we have no evidence to prove who did it.

With the statement, we are talking about a general population, not a single event. For instance we can’t prove that aliens don’t exist. We can’t prove that a murder never took place in a rural community. With the body analogy, we can go back to O. J. Simpson. How can we prove that O. J. didn’t commit those murders? We can’t.

We have fraudulent votes. A few people are stupid enough to get caught. But we have other fraudulent votes, but we can’t prove where they came from and have no idea which votes are legitimate and which votes are not. And then, because we see the security door in the process was open, we have opportunities galore when fraud could have occurred, but we have no way to say for certain because (like I said) the door was open and unattended. It is mostly that last scenario that has more than one third of Americans not trusting the honesty and fairness of national elections.

We aren’t talking about the known. How do we know that fraudulent votes weren’t cast in a particular election? That is the premise. We can’t prove there were no fraudulent votes.

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@Samm

Bumper sticker slogans don’t make winning arguments. Besides, it’s not important to prove it happens. If you want people to have complete trust in the honesty of elections, you need to prove that it can’t happen … that the vote cannot be corrupted. The best way to do that is to eliminate the obvious gaps in the system where fraudulent voting could occur. Eliminating open doors like mail-out ballots and unverified voters placing them in drop boxes would be a great place to start.

You continue to miss the point. You can’t prove a negative. That is a known fact. You haven’t provided anything to refute the fact, and you won’t be able to. It is what it is.

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@Samm

You left your backdoor unlocked. Do you have and proof that nobody came into your house while you were at work?

Exactly. You can’t prove a negative.

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@Samm

But that’s the problem. You admit there was fraud, yet you are insistent that fraud did not cause Trump to lose. You have absolutely no way to support that opinion. I doubt that you believe that all fraud is detected, let alone is prosecuted. So how could you possibly know?

I see no problem. Some form of fraud likely occurs during every election cycle someplace in the U.S. By far the largest majority of fraudulent cases prosecuted are of the individual fraud type. To my knowledge, there has never been a case where massive fraud was uncovered, affecting the outcome of an election. The 2020 election was no exception. Despite Trump’s best efforts, not a single case of fraud capable of swaying the 2020 election was found.

[WuWei]

I can see now.

[WuWei]

@peek-a-boo

cogent

No. Not convincing. Not reasoning. All emotion.

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@WuWei

No. Not convincing. Not reasoning. All emotion.

I’ve actually presented material to good sized audiences professionally throughout my career. I’m very well versed in getting my message across. You on the other hand, not so much.

[WuWei]

@peek-a-boo

@WuWei

No. Not convincing. Not reasoning. All emotion.

I’ve actually presented material to good sized audiences professionally throughout my career. I’m very well versed in getting my message across. You on the other hand, not so much.

That doesn’t make it “cogent.”

Good sized? How about 80 college educated every week for 5 years?

[gooddad409]

@Samm

@gooddad409

@Samm

@peek-a-boo

@Samm

There you go. The votes are the data. More votes counted than votes cast and you’ve got an obvious problem.

No disagreement there. The problem certainly needs to be addressed and dealt with. But that doesn’t mean voter fraud is the only possible explanation.

An incorrect tally of votes caused by incompetence is still fraud. The goal is that only legitimate persons vote; they get to vote only once; nobody else can vote in their name; every legitimate vote is counted and tallied precisely as marked; and no illegitimate votes are counted. The only way to assure that is in-person voting with verifiable picture IDs on paper ballots marked in private by each voter. I have no problem with absentee or early voting (at State election offices) conducted under the same constraints to the greatest extent possible (obviously, the actual marking of an absentee ballot cannot be monitored.) I also have no problem with electronic counting, tallying and reporting … as long as the hand marked ballots are kept secure as back-up. But mailing out ballots to all registered voters or even just to registered voters who request one without any verification that the person who requested it and/or cast it is the actual person whose name is on the request, is rife with possibilities for fraud … fraud that has almost no chance of being detected. Couple that with voting parties and ballot collection drop boxes and your just encouraging people to cheat.

I’ve mentioned this before but a couple of relatives were told they had already voted when they went to vote in 2020.

One was hugely disappointed because it was going to be his first vote. Just turned old enough.

And it doesn’t take much imagination to see people intercepting mail-out ballots (like they do pension checks) or voting for their granny on her absentee ballot that she doesn’t even know she requested. The opportunities for committing fraud are many, and unless the individual is flat out stupid, the chances of being caught are next to zero.

Some people were actually caught and prosecuted around the country for voting fraud but probably just a drop in the bucket compared to what all went on.

I advised the relatives and anyone else listening to vote the first day of early voting.

Maybe get ahead of anyone with designs on voting in their name this time.

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@WuWei

That doesn’t make it “cogent.”

Never said it did.

[WuWei]

@peek-a-boo

@WuWei

That doesn’t make it “cogent.”

Never said it did.

@peek-a-boo

All of my arguments have been well articulated and cogent.

No? Odd.

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@WuWei

Good sized? How about 80 college educated every week for 5 years?

Out of curiosity, what subject?

[WuWei]

Election fraud is a feature of Latino culture.

[WuWei]

@peek-a-boo

@WuWei

Good sized? How about 80 college educated every week for 5 years?

Out of curiosity, what subject?

Fundamentals and principles.