It has begun, Minneapolis will disband its police department, what will come of this sociological experiment?

[gooddad409]

@W_and_C

I’ll be watching real estate prices in Minneapolis out of curiosity.

I would hate to own anything there. Prices through the floor.

[Conservative_frk]

I imagine a lot of people moving out of the city.

[PurpnGold]

@Conservative_frk

I imagine a lot of people moving out of the city.

Why? They are not getting rid of the idea of citizen safety. They are getting rid of the idea of traditional policing.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@markdido

@Eagle-Keeper

Well it looks like Minneapolis will be eliminating its police department, I wonder how many more liberal towns will follow? So who thinks this is a good idea? I know that from my experience as a teacher that to keep order in a classroom there had to be rules and consequences and a system in place to enforce those consequences. What I know from actual experience is that if consequences are not enforced then disorder and chaos were often the result.

Minneapolis lawmakers vow to disband police department in historic move | US policing | The Guardian

I knew that liberals operated out of emotion, rather than fact, but I never imagined that they were suicidal.

The view of a portion of those on the Left about the police is similar to what Vision says in this dialogue regarding the Avengers:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=avengers+clip+where+the+vision+says+our+very+existence+invites+challenge&docid=607993487188885512&mid=9FA698BCF725CC86ED2A9FA698BCF725CC86ED2A&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

[bigtwnvin]

The one that is a burned out shell? Are they making it a monument or something?

[Eagle-Keeper]

@PurpnGold

@Conservative_frk

I imagine a lot of people moving out of the city.

Why? They are not getting rid of the idea of citizen safety. They are getting rid of the idea of traditional policing.

So has this “Mr. Rodgers” ever been tried before?

[WCD9973]

Just as a point of reference - Defunding / disbanding a city police force does not mean removing law enforcement.
Camden NJ did this is 2012. Crime dropped significantly.
The county police force took over the law enforcement and the budget for city went to other community programs.
It was, by all measures, successful!

[IBC]

@gooddad409

You like the idea of gangs controlling the cities? Because without police that’s what is coming.

Thankfully folks in these parts are smarter than that and are well armed themselves as well

1. Fearmongering hypotheticals aren’t compelling arguments. Especially since the police are doing such a bang up job controlling gangs currently.

2. Re-imaging maintenance of social order, or significant police reform =/= having no means of addressing maintenance of social order.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@WCD9973

Just as a point of reference - Defunding / disbanding a city police force does not mean removing law enforcement.
Camden NJ did this is 2012. Crime dropped significantly.
The county police force took over the law enforcement and the budget for city went to other community programs.
It was, by all measures, successful!

Whatever was done clearly did not have a lasting effect, here is 2018:

“In New Jersey, the two cities that were given the designation include Camden and Newark. Camden came in second, making it the nation’s worst “murder capital” behind only East St. Louis, Ill. and Chester, Pa. Chester, like Camden, is in the Philadelphia suburban area, and the two towns are only 20 miles apart.”

Murder Capitals Of America: 2 New Jersey Cities On List

As someone who lives in NJ, believe me you DO NOT want to live in Camden.

[bigtwnvin]

In hindsight perhaps Minneapolis needs to really follow through with this notion of not having a police force to enforce laws and protect the citizenry.
Judging by the violence, arson, looting, assaults and killing that has taken place? The hundreds of millions of dollars in property damages and livelihoods lost? Minneapolis can be an example to cities worldwide!
Then after a brief period of time when psychopaths and criminal gangs take over the progressive numbskulls can toss their failed social engineering experiment on the lib dung heap with the rest of the other follies.

[gooddad409]

@IBC

@gooddad409

You like the idea of gangs controlling the cities? Because without police that’s what is coming.

Thankfully folks in these parts are smarter than that and are well armed themselves as well

1. Fearmongering hypotheticals aren’t compelling arguments. Especially since the police are doing such a bang up job controlling gangs currently.

2. Re-imaging maintenance of social order, or significant police reform =/= having no means of addressing maintenance of social order.

There’s no fear mongering involved but just logic. Take the police out of the picture and gangs will take full advantage to be totally lawless.

[WCD9973]

Its gonna take more then 8 years to resolve issues that had been going on for 40+ years.

The question is not is Camden a crime free place. The question is since they defunded the Camden police dept, did things get better?

https://www.tapinto.net/towns/camden/sections/law-and-justice/articles/camden-sees-crime-drop-over-past-decade

[WCD9973]

@gooddad409

There’s no fear mongering involved but just logic. Take the police out of the picture and gangs will take full advantage to be totally lawless.

Good thing almost NO one is calling for a removal of all police.

Please learn what “Defunding Police” mean.

You prob also think “Sanctuary cities” means illegal Aliens can not be arrested.

[Eagle-Keeper]

Here’s another article from 2019:

“Camden has been dubbed the “most dangerous city” in New Jersey. That’s according to the folks at the financial news and opinion site 24/7 Wall St., who dug into FBI data from 2017 to determine violent crime rates in nearly 2,000 cities and towns.”

Here's The 'Most Dangerous' Community In New Jersey, Report Says

[Guvnah]

@Eagle-Keeper

So who thinks this is a good idea?

Depends on the “alternate model”.

[WCD9973]

ok. So you aren’t listening. Cool.
Your measurements should simply be
“Has Camden become worse or better in regards to crime since removing the camden police force”
Thats it. Thats the only question to ask.
The police force was in effect for 140+ years, they got rid of it 8 years ago.
You aren’t gonna fix 140+ years of abuse in 8 years. But you can start to move in the right direction (Which again, by every single measurement, things have improved, even if they are still bad).

[Guvnah]

@TheDoctorIsIn

it will not include no law enforcement.

My expectation as well.

Suppose they rebuild the police department without the public sector union?

I just wonder how many of the current cops would want to sign up for the new model.

[gooddad409]

@WCD9973

@gooddad409

There’s no fear mongering involved but just logic. Take the police out of the picture and gangs will take full advantage to be totally lawless.

Good thing almost NO one is calling for a removal of all police.

Please learn what “Defunding Police” mean.

You prob also think “Sanctuary cities” means illegal Aliens can not be arrested.

The thread is about Minneapolis disbanding its police department. Disband means to discontinue right?

Also going personal is against the tos. Might want to keep that out of it.

[Guvnah]

@TheDoctorIsIn

There truly is nothing quite as entertaining than watching the right tell each other about what liberals really think .

Take it as a gift.

I would submit that the left doesn’t really think much at all.

[WCD9973]

@gooddad409

The thread is about Minneapolis disbanding its police department. Disband means to discontinue right?

Also going personal is against the tos. Might want to keep that out of it.

It means disbanding the Minneapolis city police dept. It does not mean removing all law enforcement from the city.
There is a difference. I even gave you a example of a city that did it and have it and are at the lowest crime rate its had.