Issue 1 poll: Most Ohio voters oppose plan to make it harder to amend constitution

This is good news and hopefully it will hold true.

57% are opposed to Issue 1 (including a substantial proportion of Republicans).
26% support Issue 1.
17% are undecided.

Issue 1 would raise the threshold for future issues from a majority of the votes to 60%. It would also expand the requirements for meeting signature thresholds from the current 44 counties to all 88 counties. It would also expand other signature requirements. Essentially, it would make it all but impossible to get a citizen’s initiative on the ballot.

Election day for this is August 6 8.

Of course, the objective is to attempt block the nearly certain adoption of a November initiative that would grant ironclad abortion rights to the citizens of Ohio.

Hopefully, Issue 1 will fail big time and a majority of Ohio voters will continue to be empowered to decide on abortion rights in Ohio.

Interestingly and signifying that they know Issue 1 will likely fail, Republicans have released fear mongering ads in regards to transgenderism in an attempt to frighten people into supporting Issue 1. Clearly a desperate move, given that the underlying issue is abortion, not transgenderism.

I’d be happy with keeping a smaller number of county signature-threshold. That’s just the hurdle to get something on the ballot.

But I’m not a fan of mere majorities to get a constitutional change. Even at the state level.

And that’s a reason why I don’t like multi-issue questions like this. (Same principle for “omnibus” bills.)

But it’s Ohio. Not my circus. Not my monkeys.

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My biggest issue with this is the cynical timing. Something of this major importance belongs on the November ballot, not on the August ballot with light turnout.

And frankly, from a political point of view, the abortion referendum essentially takes Republicans permanently off the political hook for the issue of abortion in Ohio. Might make it easier for Republicans to win statewide office in Ohio in the future.

In not just abortion they are after. Recreational marijuana is likely to be on the ballot in November too.

Just noticed, the date you have is wrong. The special election is August 8th.

Fixed the date.

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Those who support a mere majority vote are the very kind who support “democracy,” a mob rule system of government in which 51 percent of the people may vote to confiscate the property of the remaining 49 percent of the people.

John Adams was absolutely correct when he pointed out that “democracy will envy all, contend with all, endeavor to pull down all; and when by chance it happens to get the upper hand for a short time, it will be revengeful, bloody, and cruel…”.

JWK

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I’m not a big fan of assessing changes like the proposal in the context of a particular issue.

Rules apply to both sides. You seem rather partisan in your concerns.

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To get it on the ballot should be the easy part, but I’m all in favor of requiring a 60% majority in order to enshrine it into a state’s constitution.

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I am not being partisan, not by a long shot.

And yes, the rules apply equally to both sides.

Let the majority (not supermajority) rule and let the chips fall where they may.

Right. Nothing is so sinister that it can’t be discussed and voted on.

My preference for a thicker majority is that without it, the issue with the better marketing campaign (rather than the better argument) wins with 50%+1. That’s not a good way to manage a Constitution.

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Your actual words (I quoted them) betray that denial. But OK, I’ll take your word for it now.

Your disagreement with our Founders and the safety of having a three-fourths approval of the States and people therein to amend the Constitution is alarming to say the least.

On the general principal of holding referendums, I am not partisan.

For example, I opposed the gun control referendum that passed in Oregon. I have opposed other referendums that ultimately were approved by voters.

I could be on the winning or losing side of referendums, that is entirely up to the will of the voters.

That I may support or oppose INDIVIDUAL referendums does not make me partisan on the issue of referendums in general.

We are not talking about the United States Constitution. Merely about State Constitutions and State laws.

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The safety of having more than a mere majority vote applies in both instances.

There is also another side to this.

It gives the people a very powerful check on government.

On abortion, the Ohio Legislature is playing to the wishes of the small core of Republican Party “base” voters who favor abortion.

Clearly, the public at large does not, as abortion has won in every State, red and blue, where it has gone to a public vote.

The public at large is going to curb a legislature that is out of touch on this issue and that is hardly a bad thing.

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The Ohio legislature only requires a majority vote from both houses. Why should the vox populi be held to a higher standard?

I didn’t address partisanship with respect to issues.

I quoted what I considered a blatantly partisan statement and addressed that.

Principle is the same.

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Principle is not really the same.

Unlike the Federal Constitution, there is a LONG history of direct citizen voting.

In some cases to adopt a Constitution.

In many cases to amend a State Constitution.

In many cases to adopt a statute.

And in some cases, such as Nebraska, to exercise the citizen’s veto, to override a statute enacted by the legislature.

States are closer to the people, thus is logical that the people have a greater degree of direct power that they lack at the Federal level.

This is borne out by long history in the United States.

Some States take it to the ridiculous extreme, such as Alabama.

But that is merely evidence of how badly the Alabama Constitution sucks and its deliberately poor design.

Better Constitutions rarely have to be amended.

This country would be better off if we set a dumpster fire and threw at least half the State Constitutions into it, starting with Alabama, followed in order by Texas, New York, California and Mississippi.

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