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first it was “straining health care” now it’s number of hospital visits per week

regardless hospitals are often full pre china virus. anyone waiting for a bed after the ER know this.

never saw as many dancing nurses on tik tok tho

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I am so impressed with all of the self appointed advocates for the stress level of the medical industry.

Warm and fuzzy.

:peach:

If the Nebraska Med data is solid…it should be used to help sell the vaccine instead of attacking the free will of every holdout.

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Who is hoping? Nope, wish the virus would disappear completely but if wishes were horses.

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So the current data shows states with high vaccinations are doing best with lower cases and way lower deaths.

The best way to achieve your wish is encouraging vaccine hesitant Americans to get the shot.

That will help the winter surge stay lower and deaths be much fewer.

Say it with me - please, everyone get vaccinated. For the sake of your health, your family, your community and your country.

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We have been over this, I don’t give online medical advice, not a doctor. And if I were a doctor, still wouldn’t.

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Afraid of having your membership revoked?

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No, just a responsible adult human.

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Oh stop. You give plenty of advice. You opine on health issues aplenty. I remember long threads with you about nutrition and health…

You just don’t want to upset the ant-vax conservatives by reminding them you are vaccinated. But you shouldn’t worry. Most of them are too.

Be more like Sean and less like Tucker.

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Every conservative I know here is vaccinated, so I don’t know who this anti vax crowd you think I am afraid of offending is. Apparently they are a figment of someone’s imagination.

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Well, once again you have not provided the figures to support your claim. We need the number of unvaccinated who have acquired natural immunity and are COVID free to conclude as you do.

Additionally, and with reference to natural immunity vs the vaccinated, it appears that natural immunity has an edge over the vaccinated, but the debate continues.

Johns Hopkins Physician on The Power of Natural Covid Immunity

August 5, 2021

“Natural immunity is durable. Researchers from Washington University in St. Louis reported last month that 11 months after a mild infection immune cells were still capable of producing protective antibodies. The authors concluded that prior Covid infection induces a “robust” and “long-lived humoral immune response,” leading some scientists to suggest that natural immunity is probably lifelong. Because infection began months earlier than vaccination, we have more follow-up data on the duration of natural immunity than on vaccinated immunity.”

Study: Natural immunity ‘stronger, longer’ than vaccine immunity

Aug 27 , 2021

“New Israeli study shows recovered patients tended to have better outcomes than vaccine alone - though vaccine can enhance natural immunity”.

Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections

8/24/21

Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

Aside from the debat over natural immunity vs the vaccinated, I’m still waiting for you to post those figures. You did write: …the unvaccinated are spreading the virus and getting sicker at much higher rates than the vaccinated."

How do you come to your conclusion without knowing the number of unvaccinated who have had COVID, beat it, and acquired natural immunity?

JWK

The Chinese Communist Party is counting on America’s Fifth Column media [MSNBC, NEW YORK TIMES, CNN, WASHINGTON POST, ATLANTIC MAGAZINE, New York Daily News, Time, ETC.], and their Yellow Journalists, to delude the American people.

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There are quite a few here not vaccinated. at least that is how they present themselves here.

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None of them are friends, every single conservative I have a personal connection to here is vaccinated.

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Personal health decision = should I get a colonoscopy this year?

Pap?

Mammogram?

The recommended glucose tolerance tests to rule out diabetes or prenatal genetics screening tests if pregnant?

Neither diabetes, Down’s syndrome nor various cancers are contagious. A personal decision to opt out of these tests affects no one but the individual and the insurance company paying more and seeing less success treating the cancers and diabetes at later stages.

Opting out of vaccinations against highly contagious illnesses affects more than the chooser:

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What does your post have to do with a judge telling the Gainesville Government to defend their COVID vaccine mandate in court, and show it does not violate constitutionally protected rights?

See: DARRIS FRIEND V CITY OF GAINESVILLE . . . Case No. 01-2021-CA-2412

And, what does you post have to do with the City, instead of defending its COVID vaccine mandate as a necessary and emergency use of government force in court, which obviously it isn’t and instead was a direct assault on constitutional guaranteed protections, the City decided to withdraw its mandate and avoid making a fool of itself?

Seems to me our covid vaccine jabbers are very willing to subjugate constitutional guaranteed protections to impose their will upon others, but run and hide when they are asked to defend their one-size-fits-all approach in court, and do so under the rules of strict scrutiny.

JWK

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One-size-fits-all COVID vaccine jabbers get slapped down again under strict scrutiny

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There is another victory for those who support and defend the rule of law as opposed to the rule of tyrants. More and more of these vaccine jabber, one-size-fits-all tyrants, are now being required to observe the protections afforded under “strict scrutiny”.

A one-size-fits-all COVID vaccine mandate which is not “narrowly tailored” to achieve the government’s compelling purpose, and does not use the “least restrictive means” to achieve the purpose, fails under strict scrutiny.

See: Judge blocks Western Michigan’s vaccine mandate for athletes (religionnews.com)

“WMU’s vaccination requirement for student athletes is not justified by a compelling interest and is not narrowly tailored,” Maloney wrote.

JWK

“If the Constitution was ratified under the belief, sedulously propagated on all sides that such protection was afforded, would it not now be a fraud upon the whole people to give a different construction to its powers?” ___ Justice Story

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I haven’t caught so much as even a cold during the COVID saga but I expect the discrimination to come for me eventually. Gotta get our drug$.

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you have to get vaxed because the vax doesnt really work

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Perhaps a third option should be available: get vax, weekly covid test, or get an antibody test if you’ve previously had covid.

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It’s absolutely sickening how our Fifth Column media and their Yellow Journalists worked hand in hand with Big Parma for over a year, by fearmongering our nation’s population into getting the jab, while giving little attention to known treatments, some of which are dirt cheap and extremely effective.

JWK

The Chinese Communist Party is counting on America’s Fifth Column media [MSNBC, NEW YORK TIMES, CNN, WASHINGTON POST, ATLANTIC MAGAZINE, New York Daily News, Time, ETC.], and their Yellow Journalists, to delude the American people.

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That would be sickening… if true.