Is This the End of "No Collusion"

kingarthur65 · 2019-01-11T02:37:26.013Z

JimmyC:

So if all of these meetings and interactions that Trump’s associates had with Russia are so innoculous, why did they all lie about them?

The culture of Trump. Ask Cohen.

ohknow35 · 2019-01-11T03:02:22.100Z

You got him now.

Keep issuing those corrections to the smoking gun stories.

Any day now.

Tilly_jow · 2019-01-11T03:04:01.762Z

ohknow35:

You got him now.

Keep issuing those corrections to the smoking gun stories.

Any day now.

Glad to see you finally agree.

MrSmith20001 · 2019-01-11T15:29:39.986Z

Very well laid out, thank you for taking the time to hi-lite this information.

Clearly Manafort was in contact with a foreign government while working with then-candidate Trump.

H_Arendt · 2019-01-11T15:39:48.959Z

The wheels of justice grind turn slowly in our system; one in which restraint is exercised and rights are (usually) respected. The dictatorships that our President finds so attractive tend to be able to dispense with legal matters more quickly.

Today’s news brings reports that a group of Ukrainian oligarchs with close ties to Russia attended Trump Inaugural Balls – the expensive ones where Trump showed up. The guest list included one of the two Ukrainians who received the internal polling data the Trump’s campaign manager provided to a Russian contact. It’s all circumstantial of course, but as prosecutor once told me (when I was on Grand Jury duty), prosecutors love circumstantial evidence because it is much harder to refute than eyewitness or expert testimony.

ohknow35 · 2019-01-11T16:08:36.769Z

All that and trump is still your president.

I guess we’ll just have to wait for Bobby’s Big Reveal!! Until then, “putin’s puppet” gets to declare national emergencies and whatnot.

Better get crackin.

mobulis · 2019-01-11T16:12:28.811Z

ohknow35:

All that and trump is still your president.

I guess we’ll just have to wait for Bobby’s Big Reveal!! Until then, “putin’s puppet” gets to declare national emergencies and whatnot.

Better get crackin.

Why?..

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2019-01-11T16:14:34.138Z

H_Arendt:

The wheels of justice grind turn slowly in our system; one in which restraint is exercised and rights are (usually) respected.

That’s what kills Trump voters. They want all of Trump’s crimes dismissed and they can’t stand investigations that are thorough or that take time.

ohknow35 · 2019-01-11T16:18:06.005Z

If you’re happy with “putin’s puppet” running our country, then who am I to stop you.

Congratulations,

dantes · 2019-01-11T16:36:02.759Z

Enjoy it while he lasts. The powers of the executive are protecting him now. Once he’s out of office, it won’t be the same as it was.

ohknow35 · 2019-01-11T17:25:41.533Z

You’d think loyal patriots like mueller wouldn’t want “putin’s puppet” running our country.

Guess bobby doesn’t love America.

ComfortablyNumb · 2019-01-11T17:51:04.497Z

ohknow35:

You’d think loyal patriots like mueller wouldn’t want “putin’s puppet” running our country.

Guess bobby doesn’t love America.

Atta boy. Attack the American patriot who has given more for this nation than Cadet Bone Spurs could ever dream of. Fascinating. Lol

dantes · 2019-01-11T17:51:04.733Z

I don’t think Trump is a Putin puppet.

wayoutwest · 2019-01-11T20:19:18.253Z

Manafort plead guilty. His legal team’s line of defense is that he forgot that he shared that data, which is why he lied to the FBI… not that he never shared the data. His own legal team isn’t even trying to hide the fact that the data was shared with the Russian.

H_Arendt · 2019-01-11T20:49:18.494Z

Giuliani isn’t denying the data were shared either, just insisting it was not a criminal act. This thread was opened to discuss what the Trump defense would retreat to, now that “no collusion” is basically unusable.

ComfortablyNumb · 2019-01-11T21:06:42.256Z

A really good thread from Mr. Mariotti regarding the Manafort issue.

https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1083523261395337216

Tilly_jow · 2019-01-11T21:31:49.544Z

ohknow35:

You’d think loyal patriots like mueller wouldn’t want “putin’s puppet” running our country.

Guess bobby doesn’t love America.

Do these stream of non sequiturs have a point. Other that you being very nervous about the future of the Trump presidency.

DOLOOP · 2019-01-14T23:08:07.818Z

peek-a-boo:

Then why does the NYT article clearly state “alleged”?

This guy confessed.

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H_Arendt · 2019-01-14T23:25:04.206Z

DOLOOP:

peek-a-boo:

Then why does the NYT article clearly state “alleged”?

This guy confessed.

The Times has a rule imposed on all reporting that until a person is convicted by a court of law, they are described as an “alleged” perpetrator. This prevents libel suits against the paper and is consistent with the Constitutional presumption of innocence.

I have not followed this kidnapping case closely and I have no idea whether the alleged perpetrator in this case is “obviously” guilty… he may be. But consider the Central Park Five case in New York in which five teenagers all confessed and were sent to jail, only later to be cleared by DNA evidence. Totally different case of course, but a case that makes one leery of confessions until all the facts are considered.

DOLOOP · 2019-01-14T23:29:08.811Z

H_Arendt:

DOLOOP:

peek-a-boo:

Then why does the NYT article clearly state “alleged”?

This guy confessed.

The Times has a rule imposed on all reporting that until a person is convicted by a court of law, they are described as an “alleged” perpetrator. This prevents libel suits against the paper and is consistent with the Constitutional presumption of innocence.

I have not followed this kidnapping case closely and I have no idea whether the alleged perpetrator in this case is “obviously” guilty… he may be. But consider the Central Park Five case in New York in which five teenagers all confessed and were sent to jail, only later to be cleared by DNA evidence. Totally different case of course, but a case that makes one leery of confessions until all the facts are considered.

Indeed.

I made that point earlier, including references to the NYT and AP styleguides, but someone keeps bringing up the word “alleged” as though it is predicated on some element of innocence.

Thank you for amplifying the lesson.