Is there any debate that in person voting with an ID is the most secure way to carry out an election? + Other questions/discussion on voting

westaussie · 2021-04-08T05:28:28.686Z

I from my lived experiences do not accept that photo id is a prerequisite nor a corequisite to ensure fair elections. Neither do I accept that it is necessary to vote within the electorate you are enrolled in.

Steel-W0LF · 2021-04-08T06:09:53.488Z

AZslim:

Steel-W0LF:

PeterGriffin:

Steel-W0LF:

Already have. Fingerprints.

It’s called a Concealed Carry License.

So now I can buy all the guns I want through the mail with no further ID required right?

Also: Thinking that “certain demographics” don’t already have ID, or can’t get one, is racist.

No, and no. Not when stats back it up, and it’s not just about ID. Black voters disproportionately voted absentee. Oops can’t do that anymore now unless you’re older than 65 which means you’re probably a white Republican voter. On and on, GA and TX and the 346 bills Republicans have introduced in 47 states to limit voting have one goal in mind: reduce minority turnout to boost their electoral chances.

Who is the Republican pundit pushing the “thinking this will affect blacks is the real racism” because you’re all saying it starting today and that doesn’t just happen.

Th

Again, if requiring an ID (that’s not free) is not an infringement on firearms ownership, which is a protected right, then it cannot be an infringement on voting.

I’m in favor of IDs for both, rather than neither.
You’re going to have to choose.

ID is already required to register to vote.

It’s required for me to get a CC permit too. Do you think that means I don’t have to show it after the fact?

biggestal99 · 2021-04-08T06:34:47.088Z

Guvnah:

Purely stupid question. It implies that all the people in that first-day line only had that one day off. Not two days later. Or a week later. Just that one day.

You don’t peoples circumstances.

Allan

Guvnah · 2021-04-08T12:34:55.080Z

biggestal99:

You don’t peoples circumstances.

You don’t grammar.

Hint: Your ersatz scenario pretends that you do peoples (sic) circumstances.

AZslim · 2021-04-08T14:39:16.605Z

Steel-W0LF:

AZslim:

Steel-W0LF:

PeterGriffin:

Steel-W0LF:

Already have. Fingerprints.

It’s called a Concealed Carry License.

So now I can buy all the guns I want through the mail with no further ID required right?

Also: Thinking that “certain demographics” don’t already have ID, or can’t get one, is racist.

No, and no. Not when stats back it up, and it’s not just about ID. Black voters disproportionately voted absentee. Oops can’t do that anymore now unless you’re older than 65 which means you’re probably a white Republican voter. On and on, GA and TX and the 346 bills Republicans have introduced in 47 states to limit voting have one goal in mind: reduce minority turnout to boost their electoral chances.

Who is the Republican pundit pushing the “thinking this will affect blacks is the real racism” because you’re all saying it starting today and that doesn’t just happen.

Th

Again, if requiring an ID (that’s not free) is not an infringement on firearms ownership, which is a protected right, then it cannot be an infringement on voting.

I’m in favor of IDs for both, rather than neither.
You’re going to have to choose.

ID is already required to register to vote.

It’s required for me to get a CC permit too. Do you think that means I don’t have to show it after the fact?

Perhaps if you are required to sign a document saying you already have one.

Eagle-Keeper · 2021-04-19T01:23:06.147Z

PurpnGold:

Eagle-Keeper:

Could we also agree that with any form of mail in voting there is no way to guarantee that the person who the ballot is intended for is the one who sends it in? Unless you believe #1 it’s simply impossible to forge a signature or #2 it’s impossible for forged signatures to make it past poll workers. There are also other possible area’s for fraud as well if you consider phony ballots, signatures not being verified, human error, etc.

All of these risks exist with in person as well. What makes mail-in more prone to fraud over in person?

Read my statement again. The reality is that there’s no way of verifying that the person whose name is on the ballot is the one who filled it out. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to acknowledge that in person voting with a picture ID and signature verification is definitively more secure.

WuWei · 2021-04-19T01:26:06.822Z

What are the voter ID laws in Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras?

Eagle-Keeper · 2021-04-19T01:39:02.637Z

PeterGriffin:

Presenting ID to vote doesn’t cut down on fraud. It cuts out a lot more legal votes.

What’s more likely to get past a poll worker, a mail in ballot with a forged signature (assuming that they bothered to look) or someone trying to pass themself off as you with a phony ID (assuming someone would go through the trouble of getting a phony ID, not to mention trying to select who to impersonate)?

biggestal99 · 2021-04-19T09:13:54.234Z

Eagle-Keeper:

What’s more likely to get past a poll worker, a mail in ballot with a forged signature (assuming that they bothered to look) or someone trying to pass themself off as you with a phony ID (assuming someone would go through the trouble of getting a phony ID, not to mention trying to select who to impersonate

Rarely happens. Why would someone get a fake Id just to vote?

Allan

westaussie · 2021-04-19T15:23:18.216Z

Postal voting has been around for over 100 years in other jurisdictions; why does the USA have an alleged difficulty with postal voting that other jurisdictions don’t have?

WorldWatcher · 2021-04-19T15:24:40.823Z

westaussie:

Postal voting has been around for over 100 years in other jurisdictions; why does the USA have an alleged difficulty with postal voting that other jurisdictions don’t have?

Because people voted against Dear Leader. So now mail in voting bad, even thought that is how Dear Leader vote himself.

Glad to help.

WW

peek-a-boo · 2021-04-19T16:45:35.536Z

Here are my thoughts.

In my opinion there are basically 2 kinds of voters.

One type of voter is somewhat engaged, somewhat knowledgeable about the issues, and will do whatever it takes to make it to the polls. Nothing will stand in the way of these voters. I believe the vast majority of those who vote in the U.S. fall into this category (on both sides of the political spectrum).

The second type of voter knows little to nothing about the issues and is unlikely to make it to the polls on their own without some kind of prodding or outside influence. They won’t take any initiative on their own to make even a minimum effort to register, let alone to vote. These are the voters targeted by the DEMs. They cultivate them in large numbers and influence their voting behavior with promises of free government assistance. In order to target these masses of voters, any and all obstacles must be removed. Removal of any obstacles aren’t targeted by the DEMs because their removal would make it easier for an individual to vote (see the first type of voter I describe). They are targeted because their removal would make it easier for those who seek to exploit the second type of voter for their own political agenda.

westaussie · 2021-04-19T17:11:58.576Z

What percentage of voters broken down by party would be in the first category?

peek-a-boo · 2021-04-19T17:18:51.353Z

Haven’t a clue. I’m simply offering my opinion. I strongly believe the majority of voters from both parties will do whatever it takes to register and to make it to the polls. Strong voter ID requirement’s will do nothing to deter them.

I also strongly believe that there is a sizeable minority of those who vote but wouldn’t do so on their own without outside influence. I strongly believe those are the ones targeted by the DEMs and as such vote overwhelmingly for the DEMs. The largest percentage of those voters can be found in the large DEM run population centers. IMHO

SixFoot · 2021-04-19T18:07:15.577Z

If it prevents just one fraud…

Eagle-Keeper · 2021-04-19T20:20:04.964Z

biggestal99:

Eagle-Keeper:

What’s more likely to get past a poll worker, a mail in ballot with a forged signature (assuming that they bothered to look) or someone trying to pass themself off as you with a phony ID (assuming someone would go through the trouble of getting a phony ID, not to mention trying to select who to impersonate

Rarely happens. Why would someone get a fake Id just to vote?

Allan

Not sure what part of my post you are responding to?

WorldWatcher · 2021-04-19T20:44:30.409Z

SixFoot:

If it prevents just one fraud…

Voting is a right.

Gun ownership is a right.

If it prevents one school shooting…

Hmmm

WW

SixFoot · 2021-04-19T21:46:42.874Z

Gun ownership only took a single Amendment.

What are we up to for voting? Three?

Borgia_dude · 2021-04-19T23:05:06.225Z

Eagle-Keeper:

PeterGriffin:

Presenting ID to vote doesn’t cut down on fraud. It cuts out a lot more legal votes.

What’s more likely to get past a poll worker, a mail in ballot with a forged signature (assuming that they bothered to look) or someone trying to pass themself off as you with a phony ID (assuming someone would go through the trouble of getting a phony ID, not to mention trying to select who to impersonate)?

Doesn’t the in person voter have to sign in and their sig is checked against the one on file?

Eagle-Keeper · 2021-04-20T02:47:23.791Z

Borgia_dude:

Eagle-Keeper:

What’s more likely to get past a poll worker, a mail in ballot with a forged signature (assuming that they bothered to look) or someone trying to pass themself off as you with a phony ID (assuming someone would go through the trouble of getting a phony ID, not to mention trying to select who to impersonate)?

Doesn’t the in person voter have to sign in and their sig is checked against the one on file?

Yes, as far as I know. The most secure thing to do would be picture ID and signature verification.