Is the Republican party for or against tariffs?

WuWei · 2019-12-04T00:36:41.601Z

hindsight:

WuWei:

Is the democratics party?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/policy-2020/foreign-policy/china-tariffs-intellectual-property/

You can start your own thread about Democrats if you want.

I like this one. It’s about tariffs.

SixFoot · 2019-12-04T00:39:19.834Z

Smyrna:

I am for trading partners that don’t cheat…period. If that requires tariffs to bring cheaters around, I’m for it? How about you?

Sounds fair to me.

Zander · 2019-12-04T04:09:38.415Z

Smyrna:

I am for trading partners that don’t cheat…period. If that requires tariffs to bring cheaters around, I’m for it? How about you?

Can you give an example of tariffs bringing a cheater around?

TheDoctorIsIn · 2019-12-04T04:11:47.515Z

WildRose:

You cannot have free trade without a level playing field.

You can’t have a level playing field without free trade.

WildRose · 2019-12-04T04:21:41.984Z

Oh really?

Country A has no tariffs on the goods it imports.

They are trading with country B.

To protect it’s own domestic orange growing industry they pass a 50% tariff on the Oranges they import from A.

Fair trade has just ended because there is no longer free trade.

A then reciprocates with a 50% tariff on all goods imported from B and says it will remain in place until B drops the tariff on oranges.

B drops the tariff, we now have a level playing field and A drops it’s tariffs as well.

We now have fair and free trade between A and B.

Zander · 2019-12-04T04:53:34.729Z

WildRose:

Oh really?

Country A has no tariffs on the goods it imports.

They are trading with country B.

To protect it’s own domestic orange growing industry they pass a 50% tariff on the Oranges they import from A.

Fair trade has just ended because there is no longer free trade.

A then reciprocates with a 50% tariff on all goods imported from B and says it will remain in place until B drops the tariff on oranges.

B drops the tariff, we now have a level playing field and A drops it’s tariffs as well.

We now have fair and free trade between A and B.

Why did B drop the tariff?

How high did the price of goods rise during the time period? How did this affect citizens’ purchasing power? For how long?

How soon until B imposes tariffs on apples? Do we just start over?

CanadianJudo · 2019-12-04T04:55:23.364Z

Trump NAFTA 2.0 will become law any day now… oh wait its dead in all three countries.

WildRose · 2019-12-04T05:17:25.542Z

That all depends on what your goal was initially.

Consumes will always bear the cost but if that short term pain leads to fair and free trade in the future they will also get the long term benefit.

Producers tend to be the ones that bear the price in the long run as they either have to learn to compete on that level playing field, produce something else or get into a different business altogether.

PhilipNolan · 2019-12-04T05:19:41.298Z

No it’s not

WildRose · 2019-12-04T05:22:25.338Z

He’ll say anything.

CanadianJudo · 2019-12-04T06:21:11.733Z

Its only been passed in Mexico and is dead in the water in Canada / America.

once Trump is gone the deal will be forgotten so he better get working hard.

WildRose · 2019-12-04T07:27:38.109Z

No it isn’t.

There’s strong support for it on both sides of the aisle, Nancy just needs to get off of her ass and get it through the house.

Smyrna · 2019-12-04T09:59:24.881Z

Zander:

Can you give an example of tariffs bringing a cheater around?

I can’t give you an example of any administration prior to Trump, addressing the fact that China is a cheater…can you?

WuWei · 2019-12-04T13:36:58.355Z

TheDoctorIsIn:

WildRose:

You cannot have free trade without a level playing field.

You can’t have a level playing field without free trade.

Ridiculous.

PhilipNolan · 2019-12-04T14:00:23.933Z

You’ve walked the lie back a little, Now how about the truth (contrary to popular belief it doesn’t hurt).

It needs to be reintroduced in the Canadian Parliament after elections, since all pending legislation is tossed when the current Parliament was dissolved.

Nor is it “dead” in the U.S. Congress, albeit it has taken a back seat due to the focus on impeachment.

Zander · 2019-12-04T20:33:09.340Z

Smyrna:

Zander:

Can you give an example of tariffs bringing a cheater around?

I can’t give you an example of any administration prior to Trump, addressing the fact that China is a cheater…can you?

You can’t give an example, in the history of the world, of a county using tariffs to bring a cheater around?

That’s interesting.

WildRose · 2019-12-05T01:07:51.976Z

We used them against Japan in the seventies to bring them around.

As a result most of the vehicles they sell in the US are also now made in the US.

Samson_Corwell · 2019-12-05T01:46:28.589Z

Safiel:

Guilds:

Safiel:

I support unconditional free trade.

Where has that worked in a positive way anywhere in the history of the world?

I don’t think it has ever been tried in its truest form.

But I do know that we do better in periods of freer trade.

Periods of protectionism have always ended badly at best, catastrophically at worst.

Protectionism greatly helped Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan.

Guilds · 2019-12-05T02:49:19.718Z

Samson_Corwell:

Protectionism greatly helped Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan.

It also helped the USA. Prior to about 1970.

Zander · 2019-12-05T04:03:41.651Z

WildRose:

We used them against Japan in the seventies to bring them around.

As a result most of the vehicles they sell in the US are also now made in the US.

Thanks