Is the Pope Catholic?

BornAgainChristian · 2018-05-27T09:49:21.263Z

koushi_shinigami:

rhythm method

koushi_shinigami:

BornAgainChristian:

But the Roman Catholic method once practiced, is an abomination in the OT. Women are not to engage in sex during menstruation :

Do you have a source for this accusation? Because I am not aware that the RCC ever taught this. If you are trying to describe the rhythm method of family planning, which came about around the 1930s, you are woefully inaccurate. Which along with some of your other statements about the RCC reveals you do not know then nearly as well as you seem to think you do.

You are correct about my misunderstanding the Rhythm method. I retract my statement. That’s an isolated failure to do due diligence. The opinion was formed when I was a leftist, not given to look for facts.

koushi_shinigami · 2018-05-27T10:30:22.020Z

BornAgainChristian:

You are correct about my misunderstanding the Rhythm method. I retract my statement. That’s an isolated failure to do due diligence. The opinion was formed when I was a leftist, not given to look for facts.

Not as isolated as you would like to believe.

CanadianJudo · 2018-05-27T12:32:07.277Z

so your saying attraction to same gender is a sin?

Guvnah · 2018-05-27T13:14:33.013Z

BornAgainChristian:

I retract my statement

999 more to go.

BornAgainChristian · 2018-05-27T17:23:38.832Z

koushi_shinigami:

BornAgainChristian:

You are correct about my misunderstanding the Rhythm method. I retract my statement. That’s an isolated failure to do due diligence. The opinion was formed when I was a leftist, not given to look for facts.

Not as isolated as you would like to believe.

The logic still applies. Sperm eggs aren’t human life until conception, therefore birth control methods are not harming human life.

koushi_shinigami · 2018-05-27T17:48:02.215Z

BornAgainChristian:

The logic still applies. Sperm eggs aren’t human life until conception, therefore birth control methods are not harming human life.

Once again, you display your ignorance about the Catholic Church and the reason why they do things.

Bill.in.PA · 2018-05-27T18:28:39.109Z

But that begs the question, “who is to blame for it being ‘innate’?” (If indeed it is, I’m not convinced it is)

Why a particular person has a particular cross is a usually a mystery beyond human understanding, but each person has his own cross to deal with. Jesus made that clear:
Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. . . Matthew 16:24

Crosses come in many forms. For example, there is evidence for a genetic component to alcoholism. People have that trait may need to abstain completely from alcohol, while others have no issues with moderate drinking. That may be a cross that they have to deal with.

As you quoted from John about Jesus’s explanation of the reason for the man to have been born blind:
. . . it was in order that the works of God might be displayed in him. John 9:3

Perhaps if there were no personal crosses, there would be no opportunity to display the works of God.

BornAgainChristian · 2018-05-27T18:34:42.266Z

koushi_shinigami:

BornAgainChristian:

The logic still applies. Sperm eggs aren’t human life until conception, therefore birth control methods are not harming human life.

Once again, you display your ignorance about the Catholic Church and the reason why they do things.

Do they accept these methods now? Do we have the pope on record?

BornAgainChristian · 2018-05-27T18:38:49.375Z

Bill.in.PA:

But that begs the question, “who is to blame for it being ‘innate’?” (If indeed it is, I’m not convinced it is)

Why a particular person has a particular cross is a usually a mystery beyond human understanding, but each person has his own cross to deal with. Jesus made that clear:
Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. . . Matthew 16:24

Crosses come in many forms. For example, there is evidence for a genetic component to alcoholism. People have that trait may need to abstain completely from alcohol, while others have no issues with moderate drinking. That may be a cross that they have to deal with.

As you quoted from John about Jesus’s explanation of the reason for the man to have been born blind:
. . . it was in order that the works of God might be displayed in him. John 9:3

Perhaps if there were no personal crosses, there would be no opportunity to display the works of God.

That isn’t the cross Jesus referred to. Its the one they hung Him on, that one.

It symbolizes the world’s rejection, and violence done against any who follow Christ.

Has nothing to do with alcoholism or sexual orientation. That is a secular adaptation of this saying having nothing to do with the Bible…

Bill.in.PA · 2018-05-27T18:47:27.260Z

That isn’t the cross Jesus referred to. Its the one they hung Him on, that one.

Is that some sort of tradition? The plain text from Matthew says otherwise.

koushi_shinigami · 2018-05-27T20:34:49.981Z

BornAgainChristian:

Do they accept these methods now? Do we have the pope on record?

You are focused on the wrong thing. You’re only looking at the mechanics of the method. Can you explain why the Catholic Church teaches what it does about sex, reproduction and family planning?

BornAgainChristian · 2018-05-27T23:44:17.405Z

koushi_shinigami:

BornAgainChristian:

Do they accept these methods now? Do we have the pope on record?

You are focused on the wrong thing. You’re only looking at the mechanics of the method. Can you explain why the Catholic Church teaches what it does about sex, reproduction and family planning?

No. Can you, citing primary sources? I doubt it. Lets see if you can do it.

BornAgainChristian · 2018-05-27T23:49:41.831Z

Bill.in.PA:

That isn’t the cross Jesus referred to. Its the one they hung Him on, that one.

Is that some sort of tradition? The plain text from Matthew says otherwise.

Christ uses “cross” to represent trials and tribulations caused by faith in Him.

That’s the plain facts Jack.

koushi_shinigami · 2018-05-28T00:35:10.615Z

BornAgainChristian:

No

Didn’t think so.

BornAgainChristian:

Can you,

Yes.

CanadianJudo · 2018-05-28T01:07:30.624Z

Again is sexual attraction a sin or not?

koushi_shinigami · 2018-05-28T01:10:58.538Z

CanadianJudo:

Again is sexual attraction a sin or not?

Is it an action?

CanadianJudo · 2018-05-28T01:15:36.200Z

matter of debate.

I’m not talking about having homosexual sex.
I’m talking about finding people of the same gender attractive is that alone a sin.

CanadianJudo · 2018-05-28T01:16:21.618Z

is someone who is attracted to men but never has gay sex a sinner.

koushi_shinigami · 2018-05-28T01:31:43.091Z

CanadianJudo:

is someone who is attracted to men but never has gay sex a sinner.

We are all sinners

CanadianJudo · 2018-05-28T01:33:06.594Z

The the pope is right, homosexual are born in god image. he is separating the human from the action of homosexual sex.