ICAM! The shutdown only impacts about 25% of the Government, which basically runs on auto pilot, and of that 25% only about half is considered essential so its a good opportunity to CUT the size of Government by about 12%… permanently!!
Then the investment in defense should come with tangible data to explain how that investment protects us better. Where is the data? By your own assertion, the current wall stopped the invasion. Why do I need more walls?
Also to your last point. I didn’t vote for Trump… so his campaign promises are for his base, not me. With that, I think a 2000mile wall is stupid. However I do not care how stupid it is, if I am not paying for it. So Mexico paying for the wall matters to my wallet. That means we can take the cost of what we might have spent on the wall and upgrade our infrastructure… or provide better assistance for vets.
Guvnah
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In that one location.
Certainly not where there is a daily flow in un-fenced locations.
Precisely! Your focus on the unfulfilled (as of yet) campaign plank is especially short-sighted if you weren’t even interested in it in the first place.
I made a proposal a few days ago that would stop the flood of undocumented immigrants at much lower cost. Anyone who owns more than 10% of any private or publically held company that knowingly employs an undocumented alien would be stripped of US citizenship and their passport and deported to the Central American country of their choice.
If you cut off the lure of income, no one will come.
Let’s make Americans accountable!
That work for you?
I’m interested because it is now money out of my pocket instead of Mexico. Now because he wants to take my money and build a wall, I have questions that have not been answered yet.
Bodecea
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Stop all the checks…then it’s really a shutdown.
Guvnah
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That was a piece of my proposal. (Not the specific penalty, but the mechanism.)
We need to shore up e-verify, and especially fully implement and ENFORCE it. And my proposal extended not only to employment, but many of the major economic transactions a person needs to conduct to function in this society. Housing. (Yes, make landlords and mortgage companies do e-verify!) Schooling (at all levels.) Banking. Medical (except for the barest of life-saving necessities.) Make e-verify as simple to use as a website wherein the provider inputs the person’s ID info – either SS# or Green Card# or Visa#, etc. Burden is on the government to prevent/capture fraudulent IDs, not the provider.
But providers must comply, or face penalty.
You focused on the penalties. I didn’t go there in my proposal.
Guvnah
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Cool, but the issue should be decided on the merits of the wall. Not someone’s guess as to how he would fund it.
If the wall is needed, it’s needed. And therefore its funding should be immaterial to the merits of the wall. If it’s not needed, then it’s not needed.
THAT’s where the focus belongs.
Demanding that braggadocio is a lie misses the forest for the trees.
So the wall is not the only solution on the table. Why did you say it was?
Cons always say they want to massively cut government…then why wont they take blame for the shut down?
TSA employees?
Lets do away with the TSA.
They are worthless.
Allan
Guvnah
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Neither my proposing it, nor wide agreement on an internet board makes it a concrete proposal by any means.
What I said was this: “… and right now a physical barrier is the only concrete proposal on the table. God knows that my proposal has no political hope in today’s environment …”
Who is championing anything else but a wall? Where is the congressional proposal that even approaches what you and I are talking about here? Just because some laymen in a chat board agree to some things won’t make their proposal anything but bits and bytes in the inter-sphere.
DHS is full of waste, everyone knows that.
lets just cut it entirely.
it is a department that is not needed,
who cares about homeland security anyway?
Allan
Is that really a good example?
Immigrants today are learning English faster than at any other time in the past.
Cynic
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What, you don’t think Smyrna’s personal account of “what all immigrants did decades ago” is good enough?
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Yeah, that anecdote doesn’t back up your false claim.
There is a significant amount of research (real research, not your feelings) that shows your claims to be in error.
Banks added the choice of language to increase their bottom line and serve more customers. I’m fairly certain that ATMs have had exactly zero effect on the rate of English speaking immigrants.
My great-grandmother emigrated from Poland in 1912. She died, age 97, in 1994 - speaking only a few words of English.
All of her sons fought in WWII, and the three that survived all became millionaires.
I doubt it is is viewed as a good thing by all the business affected by the shutdown.
Sewell
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I dunno. It’s good enough for me.
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