Is the Bible a land grant for the modern state of Israel?

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I make my determinations from Scripture.

In the passage you quoted, God was getting Moses acquainted with Him. He was just tending his sheep like he did every day and noticed the bush that was on fire but was not consumed. God got Moses’ attention. The burning bush is not remembered when telling the story. God called Moses there to lead His people.

After that, God gave Moses the Old Covenant of law from Mountain Sinai – the mountain that quaked.

The ground was holy because God’s presence was there.

Under the New Covenant of Grace, people are holy, places are not. God has no shrines upon this earth except the hearts and minds of men and women. There are no holy places. “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God.” He makes his home with me in my body through His Spirit, so that wherever I go He goes. Paul said “glorify God in your body.” Wherever a child of God goes, God is there.

God cannot be boxed in and Thank God, there are no sanctuaries.

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As do I. I don’t think we are really in a disagreement.

I have no disagreement with any of this. My only point was that it is not for me to know the mind of God. He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow why would I presume to know if God will do again what he has done in the past.

Again I have very little disagreement with any of this.

Again I only am pointing out that I do not presume to know the mind of God.

But here is an example from Revelation 21: 1-3

1Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.

Would you not call this holy ground?

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Reading on down in chapter 21 to verse 5.

Rev. 21:4 he will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away."

Rev 21:5 "And he who sat upon the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” Also he said, “Write this, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

Verse 5. “Behold, I make all things new.”

All things, no exceptions.

During the period between 30 AD and 70 AD, God was making ALL THINGS NEW. The word new used here Kainos, relates to form or quality of a different nature from what is OLD. When God said he was making all things new, in respect to form, quality and nature, He was taking the “old” natural things and changing their form, quality and nature. The nature of the things of the Old Covenant was changing from natural to spiritual ---- Changing from seen to unseen ---- from the temporal to the eternal.

"While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen, for the things which are seen are temporal but the things which are not seen are eternal. 2 Cor. 4:18

God was changing all things from natural to spiritual, no exception.

The Old (Jerusalem) had to pass away before the New (Jerusalem) was made.

Prophecy ended in that first century. Jerusalem was destroyed in that first century.

God dwells with us in spirit in that New Covenant of Grace.

Holy but not Holy ground.

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Are you trying to tell me that you believe that the events of Revelation 21 have already come to pass?

Once again, who am I, who are you, who is anyone to presume to know the mind of God.

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I own Malibu from the forests to the seas and have dominium over all of them all.

"Your" progeny here, will be slaves for 400 years.

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I wasn’t just trying, I thought I was pretty plain. :laughing: I say that from years of study from Genesis to Revelation many times.

We can only know what He has revealed to us.

Deut. 29:29

"The secret things belong to the LORD our God; but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

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If that is what you truly believe then I am afraid we are at an impasse as I believe that these are prophesies that are yet to be fulfilled.

You kind of make my point here. ^^^

Romans 11:34

“Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”

May I ask of what religion / denomination you belong to?

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That is not a problem for me. Being in agreement on Scripture is not a requirement for being a child of God.

The Spirit unites us, we don’t have anything to do with that. “For by one Spirit we were all Baptized into one Body – Jews, Greeks, slaves or feee – and all were made to drink of the self same Spirit.” 1 Cor 12:13

It is not our role to create unity, – the Spirit does that. Our responsibility is to recognize and “maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.” Eph 4:1-6

This unity is not built on agreement, that is not the basis of unity. The basis of unity is Christ.

That could also apply to those who make a continuous history jumbled maze from the prophecies.

I am not partial to any one denomination. I identify with being a child of God.

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The earth belongs to God. Therefore it is his prerogative to give land to whoever he chooses. He gave the Holy land to Abraham and his descendants forever. He never rescinded that covenant. He displaced them from their land several times due to their stubborn disobedience, but he promised he would bring them back to their homeland. He did this in 1948 and technically the Jews are entitled to all the land they had in biblical times. Granted that other nations and and people are occupying a lot of that land, but certainly when Jesus returns, he will be returning to Jerusalem and establishing his millennial rule from there. Gods plan WILL come to pass. The Jews will get back what is theirs. In the meantime other nations will continue to hate and persecute them and try to destroy them- that’s not going to happen. God said he will curse those who curse Israel and bless those who bless Israel. We’ve been under God’s curse for what the anti semite Libs have been doing to Israel, but God’s blessing will return when Trump takes office and begins proactively treating Israel as our ally again. Trump should help Israel in every way possible…

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God made the earth for a dwelling place for his creation of mankind. He left them free to live wherever they choose to live. He commanded them to “be fruitful and multiply” and fill the earth with their offspring.

When you study the Old Covenant scripture, ---- , you understand that what the prophets prophesied under that Old Covenant was fulfilled by Jesus under the New Covenant, which is between God and all mankind. You also understand what God is like.

God is Love.

"Jesus said to her “stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brethren (the Jews) and say to them ‘I ascend to my Father and your Father and my Yahweh and your Yahweh.’” John 20:17.

In the first century, AD, the Israelites (both dead and resurrected) along with those Israelites who were still alive, ascended to meet Jesus in the air. No one else. No one can have everlasting life until they first rise to meet God. Not even Jesus.

From that day, until today – 2025 and beyond, we receive our reward when we meet yahweh in the air – when we die physically, if we have been born from above, and we are faithful to Yahweh.

Mark *11:*28 “Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me; for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

Learn of Jesus. God didn’t give us a book full of riddles to spend our life trying to figure out.