Is science different in Denmark and Sweden?

Anytime a ruckman touches the ball 3 points are awarded.

Allan

Not sure which sport that is; it is definitely not Aussie Rules.

Yes, these findings.

Family blames vax mandate for young momā€™s death (nj1015.com)

Where in the US can you be arrested for refusing to get the vaccine?

Yes, that is the party line from the vaccine makers.

Here some of the questionable assumptions that were implied in the bogus analysis:

  1. All COVID cases test positive and get recorded. In real-life only a small portion of the people who develop immunity get counted as official cases, which overestimates grossly overestimates the risk of myocarditis from COVID since most mild cases never test positive.

  2. 100% of the unvaccinated would get COVID if they do not get the vaccination. Even without the vaccination, most of the people who are going to get the disease have already gotten it. Only a small fraction of those remainder are likely to get infected.

  3. 0% of the vaccinated will get infected and develop heart inflammation. It ignores the large number of breakthrough cases with the very leaky vaccines and many of them result in serious illness.

  4. Only alternatives are no shots or two shots. If virtually all myocarditis occurs after the second shot, then one dose needs to be considered, but that alternative is ignored.

  5. It assumes that all the cases of myocarditis get reported as vaccine-related side effects. Pervious surveys found that only a tiny portion of vaccine side effects get reported, which means that the actual number of vaccine-related cases is probably much higher than reported.

  6. It ignores the effects of natural immunity from a previous COVID exposure. Previous exposure to COVID produces a natural immunity that appears to be superior that for the fully vaccinated. It also should increase the risk serious side effects from the vaccine.

As the old saying goes: Garbage in; garbage out.

The military is threatening court marshal for refusing the vaccine.

What are you going on about?

They took people who got myocarditis after covid infections and people who got it after the vaccine and compared the two numbers.

The risk for myocarditis from the virus is higher than from the vaccine.

The risk from COVID-related myocarditis is based on the number of myocarditis cases divided by the number of reported COVID cases, but the reported cases are only the tip of the iceberg. Most people who develop natural immunity to COVID have mild cases and never test positive.

The article says the risk of myocarditis is 450 cases per million COVID cases. If the actual number of cases is four times the reported, then the risk goes down by a factor of four.

In addition, only small fraction of the those who are getting vaccinated would get COVID, whether they are vaccinated or not. A large fraction of the remainder have developed immunity from previous exposure to COVID. About half of the population has T-cell immunity that predates COVID. Some people are simply never exposed.

If we assume that that 25% the people would get COVID without vaccination, then their risk myocarditis would be reduced by another factor of four. That means the real risk of myocarditis is only 450 / 4 / 4 = 28 cases per million

According to the article there are 67 cases of myocarditis per million among young vaccinated males. That figure is about three time higher than the risk of myocarditis from COVID based on the my assumptions above.

In addition, the vaccines are highly leaky so substantial number would get COVID and some of those would get myocarditis even with the vaccine. That would further reduce the alleged benefit from vaccination.

Clearly there are a lot of uncertainties in the analysis, but the analysis in the article appears to ignore a some important points.

The bottom line is that the vaccine mostly likely increases the risk of myocarditis instead of reducing it.

Soā€¦ if we just make up numbers it all looks better.

Makes sense

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Yes, that was the basis of the article.

The authors implicitly made assumptions to get the answer they were looking for. Most peopleā€™s eyes glaze over as soon as numbers come into the picture, so few are going to actually check the figures.

Science!

Why are you reporting on this like we havenā€™t had this exact same discussion already?

As others have pointed out, the risk is very smallā€¦and there is also a risk these same people in this same age group could get myocarditis if they GET COVID.

Thereā€™s nothing nefarious going on here. No information is being withheld.

This is the kind of thing that happens all the time with new medicines and new therapies.

What is your motivation for continuing to insist something nefarious is going on with the vaccine?

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Of the people hospitalized for Myocarditisā€¦ it was 16 times more likely that the person would have had Covid.

Here is the risk assessment by age Association Between COVID-19 and Myocarditis Using Hospital-Based Administrative Data ā€” United States, March 2020ā€“January 2021 | MMWR

Other studies have shown that when testing college athletes who have been infected with Covid specifically for myocarditis that the incidence is higher than you might suspect.

But yeahā€¦ make up numbers if it makes one feel better.

Because it is Groundhog day

Yes, COVID increase the risk of heart inflammation. So does the COVID vaccination.

Comparing the rate as result of COVID infection to that for unvaccinated people is meaningless.

The risk of myocarditis is greater from Covid than it is from the vaccine

Another nation has joined Denmark and Sweden in restricting Moderna vaccinations.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/finland-joins-nordic-nations-curbing-moderna-shots-80472959

And?

You still have not answered why you are pretending we havenā€™t discussed this already?

Another nation restricts the Moderna vaccine because of heart inflammation. Science is different in Nordic countries that a lack multimillion dollar lobbying budgets found in the US.

I guess Iceland is banned from youtube!

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