Is school choice a civil-rights issue?

[tzu]

SCOTUS ruled on this, as a condition of American citizenship.

[WuWei]

@highroller

@WuWei

Integration. Desegregation. Diversity.

How does school of choice do that? It just defunds the local schools by lowering their attendance.

It moves students around.

[tzu]

Rights cannot protect possible futures, or outcomes. Than can only safeguard existing autonomies.

[highroller]

@tzu

SCOTUS ruled on this, as a condition of American citizenship.

It may not be an American right, but in the Michigan constitution we have the right of free elementary and secondary education. One of the main reasons Republicans have not defunded our school system here is because they can’t.

BTW, we have charter schools in Michigan, and have NOT seen any educational benefits from them.

[tzu]

ACLU lost that court case, didn’t they?

(I am not making any arguments about charter schools.)

[WuWei]

@tzu

Rights cannot protect possible futures, or outcomes. Than can only safeguard existing autonomies.

I know, you brought in “dis-leveling” and outcomes, not me.

“Autonomies” - I like it. Very Republic-ish.

[PurpnGold]

@WuWei

School aren’t elastic? Where do you get that? It doesn’t have to be a one for one trade. Class size is a factor, not the only factor.

Good schools have the capability and competency to absorb without falling apart. Do you think if this is passed every single student will be in a new school tomorrow?

Look I’m not against school choice, I am against the messaging.

School choice is not going to magically solve issues with poor school resources. In some areas, it will actually exacerbate those issues.

schools don’t have infinite resources. Typically bad schools are in poor neighborhoods. How many “suburban moms” will be happy with their good schools being over run with poor kids?

[tzu]

I just mean that any kind of skills training de-levels persons. If you, Hickock, my youngest and a person who never held a gun or worked on hand-eye coordination go to a range, your various types of training, practice and learned aptitude will create inequities of function.

Whether or not holding/possessing the weapon ought to be protected isn’t at issue. It is already ‘covered’ by a bodily autonomy. You have a right to the weapon whether or not you are a fool who will never use it well, or properly.

Education, I believe (obviously) is not covered by autonomy.

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

School choice is not going to magically solve issues with poor school resources.

Of course it won’t. Who said it would. I don’t think the idea is to help with “poor school resources”. It’s not the parent’s job to “save the school!” The parent’s job is to get the best education for their children they possibly can.

@PurpnGold

In some areas, it will actually exacerbate those issues.

Supposition.

@PurpnGold

Typically bad schools are in poor neighborhoods

Why?

[WuWei]

@tzu

I just mean that any kind of skills training de-levels persons. If you, Hickock, my youngest and a person who never held a gun or worked on hand-eye coordination go to a range, your various types of training, practice and learned aptitude will create inequities of function.

Whether or not holding/possessing the weapon ought to be protected isn’t at issue. It is already ‘covered’ by a bodily autonomy. You have a right to the weapon whether or not you are a fool who will never use it well, ir properly.

Education, I believe (obviously) is not covered by autonomy.

+3 points for the Hickok reference.

I don’t disagree, with the caveat that function does not guarantee outcomes nor are we guaranteed them.

Why is education not covered by autonomy?

[Eagle-Keeper]

@PurpnGold

@Bill.in.PA

Forcing poor kids to go to failing public schools is arguably the biggest factor in perpetuating systemic racism, but Biden appears to be more concerned about placating teachers’ unions than helping kids break a cycle of poverty.

Where do you think poor kids will go with school choice? How does this work in this school choice nirvana?

The current problem with our education model is the cookie cutter approach that pervades public education. EVERYONE has to learn ALL the same stuff no matter what their interests or abilities are. This irrational and coercive approach takes too long, costs too much and adds very little to a person’s practical ability in their professional life. More choices in education would allow parents and students the ability to find tailored programs to better suit their interests and abilities.

[tzu]

I will have to reply later.

Boy and I watch H45 together.

[highroller]

Yep, you are right. Sigh for activist courts repealing constitutional rights…

[Cratic3947]

Well, history shows voting for democrats means a really expansive poor education… So, don’t be mean. See Cal or any big city they run.

It’s because they care more about the union than the children…

[fallenturtle]

@Bill.in.PA

Is school choice the biggest civil rights issue of our time?

No, its not. There is no right to go to the school of your choice and have it funded by tax payers.

[fallenturtle]

@Smyrna

The biggest positive factor in a child’s successful education is not the school system, the books, the teachers, the buildings or even the other students…it’s the parents. Those parents dedicated to their children getting the best education, unfortunately…due to the irresponsible parenting of other parents, most often have to leave the public school system and go to a charter school.

Is parent choice the biggest civil rights issue of our time?

[PurpnGold]

@Cratic3947

Well, history shows voting for democrats means a really expansive poor education… So, don’t be mean. See Cal or any big city they run.

It’s because they care more about the union than the children…

Wanna take a guess around which region has the poorest education?

[Cratic3947]

Is that based on cost of living?..

[WuWei]

Good post. Logistics is the problem.

[WuWei]

@highroller

Yep, you are right. Sigh for activist courts repealing constitutional rights…

What was the case please?