Is "man made" climate change only limited to the U.S.?

Optrader · 2020-09-17T10:48:31.169Z

merickson:

PAmoderate37:

Actually my major disagreement with Climate Change activists, is not that it doesn’t exist, but that they expect us to do more about climate change than we are already doing while China and India don’t do anywhere near what we do. Climate Change is like a virus in that it doesn’t recognize borders. Until China and India start doing equal or more than what we are doing it will never change or only get worse.

“Nobody do anything until everybody does it” is a different approach to problem solving than “Do what you can”

That attitude takes the US from the position of world leader and firmly makes it a world follower.

Kinda like the lib attitude on paying their fair share of taxes. They whine about it, but don’t actually do it until the government makes them. They blame Republicans for that too…

Guvnah · 2020-09-17T17:14:59.762Z

Borgia_dude:

I must have confused you with someone else.

From your previous post:

Borgia_dude:

Now, if I misremember your positions …

Essentially you let your prejudgments control your posting. Another word for that is prejudice.

Stating fabrications and them pre-apologizing for them is a dastardly tactic.

Borgia_dude:

So it is only AGW that you support the minority position.

And that is just more nasty libberish fabrication.

Typical lib tactics. Nothing of merit. Just fabricate any mud you can and fling it.

Borgia_dude · 2020-09-17T17:42:01.345Z

Guvnah:

Borgia_dude:

I must have confused you with someone else.

From your previous post:

Borgia_dude:

Now, if I misremember your positions …

Essentially you let your prejudgments control your posting. Another word for that is prejudice.

Stating fabrications and them pre-apologizing for them is a dastardly tactic.

Borgia_dude:

So it is only AGW that you support the minority position.

And that is just more nasty libberish fabrication.

Typical lib tactics. Nothing of merit. Just fabricate any mud you can and fling it.

Dude. All I did was confuse you with another poster. It happens. I apologized and do so again.

Samm · 2020-09-17T19:51:05.224Z

Borgia_dude:

Samm:

Borgia_dude:

Samm:

See what I mean?

Alas, some conservatives seek the minority position of scientists because it agrees with their politics.

I’ll stick with the majority. I may not always be right with that assumption, but I will be right far more than I’ll be wrong.

Scientific truth is not determined by majority rule. The number of times that the majority consensus among scientists has eventually been proved to be wrong are too many to count.

As I said, I will be right far more than I will be wrong when I accept the majority position. If you want to believe the minority, go ahead. You will be wrong more often then you will be right.

Again, you don’t seem to understand the scientific method. Scientific truth is not determined by a popular vote, it is determined by solid evidence that can stand up to all criticism. What I believe is skepticism until all reasonable doubt is eliminated. When it comes to anthropogenic global warming, skepticism is still very healthy.

Samm · 2020-09-17T19:52:59.847Z

Borgia_dude:

Samm:

merickson:

Samm:

merickson:

Global Warming means that the temperature the the US was used to 20 years ago has moved to Canada.

Nonsense. According to global warming theory, the greatest increase in temperature is at the higher latitudes.

The two are not incompatible. The greatest increase is at higher latitudes, but ANY increase implies that the band of latitudes that averge X° moves north. The “greatest increase” factors into how far north that band has moved.

You said “global warming means … ” That is NOT what it means.

Means is not relegated to definitions. You’re reading the sentence wrong. It is a consequence.

If that was what he meant, he should have said so.

Guvnah · 2020-09-17T19:54:01.178Z

Borgia_dude:

Dude. All I did was confuse you with another poster. It happens. I apologized and do so again.

“Confuse”. Another word for prejudice.

Apologize all you want. What you did is no different from countless other posts. Apologize 100 times. I don’t consider your apologies sincere. And I don’t consider your interactions with me honorable.

It’s same-old, same-old from you, and I don’t expect that to change moving forward.

Borgia_dude · 2020-09-17T20:39:15.723Z

Samm:

Borgia_dude:

Samm:

merickson:

Samm:

merickson:

Global Warming means that the temperature the the US was used to 20 years ago has moved to Canada.

Nonsense. According to global warming theory, the greatest increase in temperature is at the higher latitudes.

The two are not incompatible. The greatest increase is at higher latitudes, but ANY increase implies that the band of latitudes that averge X° moves north. The “greatest increase” factors into how far north that band has moved.

You said “global warming means … ” That is NOT what it means.

Means is not relegated to definitions. You’re reading the sentence wrong. It is a consequence.

If that was what he meant, he should have said so.

Means has that definition so he didn’t need to.

Borgia_dude · 2020-09-17T20:45:26.345Z

Samm:

Borgia_dude:

Samm:

Borgia_dude:

Samm:

See what I mean?

Alas, some conservatives seek the minority position of scientists because it agrees with their politics.

I’ll stick with the majority. I may not always be right with that assumption, but I will be right far more than I’ll be wrong.

Scientific truth is not determined by majority rule. The number of times that the majority consensus among scientists has eventually been proved to be wrong are too many to count.

As I said, I will be right far more than I will be wrong when I accept the majority position. If you want to believe the minority, go ahead. You will be wrong more often then you will be right.

Again, you don’t seem to understand the scientific method. Scientific truth is not determined by a popular vote, it is determined by solid evidence that can stand up to all criticism. What I believe is skepticism until all reasonable doubt is eliminated. When it comes to anthropogenic global warming, skepticism is still very healthy.

I understand the scientific method perfectly but you and I are not employing it here. In the absence of our own expertise in climate science, how should we determine which side is right? I prefer majority of related scientists. You seem to choose the minority position.

Oh, I’m sure you will respond indignantly about you understanding the science with your basic science education and reading of the Interwebs. But I’m not buying it. I’ve only seen a one or two posters on this board who seem to understand the science at a truly scientific level and neither you, nor I, am one of them.

Borgia_dude · 2020-09-17T20:50:02.211Z

Guvnah:

Borgia_dude:

Dude. All I did was confuse you with another poster. It happens. I apologized and do so again.

“Confuse”. Another word for prejudice.

Apologize all you want. What you did is no different from countless other posts. Apologize 100 times. I don’t consider your apologies sincere. And I don’t consider your interactions with me honorable.

It’s same-old, same-old from you, and I don’t expect that to change moving forward.

This seems the appropriate response to this melodrama.

Samm · 2020-09-17T20:56:34.414Z

Borgia_dude:

Samm:

Borgia_dude:

Samm:

merickson:

Samm:

merickson:

Global Warming means that the temperature the the US was used to 20 years ago has moved to Canada.

Nonsense. According to global warming theory, the greatest increase in temperature is at the higher latitudes.

The two are not incompatible. The greatest increase is at higher latitudes, but ANY increase implies that the band of latitudes that averge X° moves north. The “greatest increase” factors into how far north that band has moved.

You said “global warming means … ” That is NOT what it means.

Means is not relegated to definitions. You’re reading the sentence wrong. It is a consequence.

If that was what he meant, he should have said so.

Means has that definition so he didn’t need to.

You are right, but in that sentence means does not mean consequences.

And once again you have taken the conversation off point with a nit pick distraction. Good on you.

Borgia_dude · 2020-09-17T20:58:46.356Z

Samm:

Borgia_dude:

Samm:

Borgia_dude:

Samm:

merickson:

Samm:

merickson:

Global Warming means that the temperature the the US was used to 20 years ago has moved to Canada.

Nonsense. According to global warming theory, the greatest increase in temperature is at the higher latitudes.

The two are not incompatible. The greatest increase is at higher latitudes, but ANY increase implies that the band of latitudes that averge X° moves north. The “greatest increase” factors into how far north that band has moved.

You said “global warming means … ” That is NOT what it means.

Means is not relegated to definitions. You’re reading the sentence wrong. It is a consequence.

If that was what he meant, he should have said so.

Means has that definition so he didn’t need to.

You are right, but in that sentence means does not mean consequences.

Ok. You read it as consequence but everyone sees things differently I suppose. The frailties of the written vs spoken word.

Samm · 2020-09-17T21:00:06.552Z

You are free to believe anything you like, but please, don’t call it scientific … it’s absolutely not.

Samm · 2020-09-17T21:02:03.861Z

No … YOU read it as consequences, I read it as means.

Guvnah · 2020-09-17T22:38:51.741Z

Samm:

No … YOU read it as consequences, I read it as means.

I said it before.

Libs see what they want to see.

amadeus · 2020-09-17T22:48:01.655Z

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amadeus:

But wait, amadeus, isn’t our success as a species do to our big brains which magically appeared here 6,000 years ago? No, young grasshopper, even cockroaches are smart enough to know that their success is not due to their big brains.

What makes you think that cockroaches know that they are successful?

Experience.

Borgia_dude · 2020-09-18T02:26:00.667Z

Samm:

You are free to believe anything you like, but please, don’t call it scientific … it’s absolutely not.

I never said my choice to believe the majority of scientists on a given point was scientific. But it yields better results than believing the minority.

Borgia_dude · 2020-09-18T02:28:07.345Z

Samm:

No … YOU read it as consequences, I read it as means.

Sure. And the word “means” in that context could be definition or consequence. No big deal. Not sure why you think this is important.

Samm · 2020-09-18T06:11:20.151Z

amadeus:

Samm:

amadeus:

But wait, amadeus, isn’t our success as a species do to our big brains which magically appeared here 6,000 years ago? No, young grasshopper, even cockroaches are smart enough to know that their success is not due to their big brains.

What makes you think that cockroaches know that they are successful?

Experience.

What kind of experience do cockroaches have that informs them of their success?

Samm · 2020-09-18T06:14:00.685Z

Borgia_dude:

Samm:

You are free to believe anything you like, but please, don’t call it scientific … it’s absolutely not.

I never said my choice to believe the majority of scientists on a given point was scientific. But it yields better results than believing the minority.

Better results? What do you mean? Are you keeping score or something? That’s not scientific either. That’s just playing the odds. Don’t you care whether the majority is right or not?

Samm · 2020-09-18T06:26:30.104Z

Borgia_dude:

Samm:

No … YOU read it as consequences, I read it as means.

Sure. And the word “means” in that context could be definition or consequence. No big deal. Not sure why you think this is important.

Me? You are the one who is going on and on about it. I’m just responding to your posts.