Is college too difficult for today's American students?

[Guvnah]

@Auto129

How many students?

Did you read the link?

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@Liberty323

Also, the Big Pharma CEO doesn’t mind sacrificing people for profit. Evil. The Sacklers immediately come to mind.

That’s not evil. That’s profit.

If they take evil steps then they are evil.

They are not evil just for being a big pharma ceo and seeking profit.

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@Liberty323

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Byu and Baylor both bastions of conservatism are run the same way and profit in the same way.

Those aren’t bastions of conservatives. That’s the same as calling Harvard a Christian university.

What? Look at the student polling at by and Baylor.

Byu is socially conservative to the nth degree. Which makes sense obviously since it’s a Mormon university. Another bunch of commies

[Guvnah]

@GA_LP

Yeah, no one is confusing anything.

Well, our some of our lib members are…

But your point is spot on for the rest of us.

[Guvnah]

@Liberty323

Again, it means two different things with a conservative and a lefty.

Again, it means two different things with a conservative and a troll.

There. I corrected your spelling.

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@Guvnah

@Liberty323

Again, it means two different things with a conservative and a lefty.

Again, it means two different things with a conservative and a troll.

There. I corrected your spelling.

Oh hi. Just a reminder about that flag thing. It’s on the bottom of my post. Also a mod was in the convo and engaged very patiently with my seeking to discuss the subject.

Disagreement isn’t trolling. Your reflexive nature is showing again.

[e7alr]

I don’t believe there are any current conservative administrations at the major colleges and universities. The problem with dropping the names of past conservative institutions is past alignment is no guarantee of current policy and alignment. Take the ACLU and the NAACP, or the Southern Poverty Law Center. All are examples of past noble entities with new alignments and objectives pointing to past reputations to claim credibility.

Marxists always claim their opponents are evil and repressive.

And blanket statements about anything being a valuable service, including academics is vapid.

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@e7alr

I don’t believe there are any current conservative administrations at the major colleges and universities. The problem with dropping the names of past conservative institutions is past alignment is no guarantee of current policy and alignment. Take the ACLU and the NAACP, or the Southern Poverty Law Center. All are examples of past noble entities with new alignments and objectives pointing to past reputations to claim credibility.

Marxists always claim their opponents are evil and repressive.

And blanket statements about anything being a valuable service, including academics is vapid.

Believe is the perfect word for it. Believing something to be true and it being true are obviously not the same thing

How is it vapid?

Academics is a valuable source because knowledge is power. There are other ways to gain knowledge of course. Not all academic knowledge is of import or even necessary. But academics is a valuable service. Academia is a whole other discussion.

[e7alr]

It is a general statement, much like hope and change, left to the imagination of the listner to fill in the specifics. I find general statements to be inherently vapid.

[FreeAndClear]

Ah ok that makes sense

[zantax]

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@Liberty323

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@Liberty323

For me, it means someone who majored in dumb ■■■■ and has to work in entry-level jobs to pay off the student loan debt. For lefties, I think it means anybody who works at least 10 hours a week but doesn’t get paid as much as a doctor, for “equity” reasons.

Well that’s not true with regards to lefties.

You blamed the system for creating a wage slave. The wage slave chose the major.

Is he really a wage slave then? Is the system failing the population for profit?

The wage slave had been told by teachers and guidance counselors to “major in something you love, and the money will follow”, so I think they play a big part in it. Also, the schools got very greedy once school loans became guaranteed for all and added a lot of “easy” majors for people who should not have gone to college.
These are parts of the system dominated by leftists that ■■■■■■ over future generations of leftists. Instead of these highly-educated burger flippers blaming themselves, teachers, guidance counselors, and colleges, they instead blame the “patriarchy” and demand loan bailouts.

The first line is not provable by any measure. You guys are imagining what guidance counselors do.

Yes the government is fully to blame like 100 percent to blame for sky rocketing college cost.

But that’s on the government not on the colleges….

I know what mine did back in the late seventies, notice I was poor and assumed that meant I wouldn’t be going to college despite testing that had me in the top percentile.

[Liberty323]

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@Liberty323

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Byu and Baylor both bastions of conservatism are run the same way and profit in the same way.

Those aren’t bastions of conservatives. That’s the same as calling Harvard a Christian university.

What? Look at the student polling at by and Baylor.

Byu is socially conservative to the nth degree. Which makes sense obviously since it’s a Mormon university. Another bunch of commies

My son attended Berea College in Kentucky which was once a Christian college and is now as woke as Oberlin. If it wasn’t for his scholly he would not have wanted to endure things like having to hear bel hooks read from her books, or see freaks with t-shirts saying “I put the ho in ■■■■” walking around campus.

[FlameHeart]

I was a Biology major. With Pre-Med prerequisites. At a school with a difficult pre-med track. With mental health issues. With mother ■■■■■■■ PTSD my LAST semester, in the dorm, no car, counselors and profs who thought I was seeking attention. Only stepped out of my dorm for meals.

Somehow I graduated. Failed Elementary Statistics the second time I took it, which will take a long time to remedy before I attempt grad school admission.

And I murdered my mental health in the process.

I want to tell these kids to get back in the ring because they have bright futures.

[FlameHeart]

I’m at the bar now getting a sangria. I hate double standards so much.

No dears, go through the gauntlet like I did. I was never shown any mercy that time.

[WuWei]

@Eagle-Keeper

@WuWei

Many, if not most children from LATAM countries have a much better grounding in educational basics than the native products of this educational system. If they had the ability to attend.

Many of those young people have college degrees and arecwashing dishes or roofing houses.

I’m not talking about everyone from all of Latin America, I’m talking about the people who are showing up at the border. I’m also putting them in the same statistics of children from poverty and troubled homes. And compounding that with the additional challenges of having to learn a new language as well.

So am I.

[Striker840]

@moonshine

some professors arent really cut out for teaching. I still remember back when i was in college i was taking a basic communications theory class (engineering). Professor went over what we were expected to know for the exam. He lied. the exam was pretty much everything but what he said it would cover. I got a 15 out of 100 and becauseit was graded on a curve that was a C. When he was asked about it at the next class his answer was we should have studied everything,not just what he said the exam would cover. his entire philosophy was basically trying to show students how he knew so much more than they did.

The next semester he wasnt teaching any beginning/intermediate level engineering classes

I call BS. No freaking way will there be a 55 point curve, Also, If material is presented either in textbook in assigned pages/chapters or lecture it is fair game. It’s called read the damn syllabus and freaking study. You either know the material or you don’t. Blaming the prof because you failed is lazy and typical of today’s entitled society. You get the grade you earned, not what you want.

Getting ready to start my 6th semester in a few weeks.

[Gaius]

College is hard, but only some classes. Most classes if you are truly qualified the hardest part is developing a work ethic.

Studies show how close you live to campus is a BIG determinant of college success (even just 800 yards makes a measurable difference in graduation rates GPA and income after college,

Also living at home or with non-students is a BIG minus. A “B grade” high school student who lives in the dorms will do better than a HS honor student who lives at home or with non-students.

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@Gaius

College is hard, but only some classes. Most classes if you are truly qualified the hardest part is developing a work ethic.

Studies show how close you live to campus is a BIG determinant of college success (even just 800 yards makes a measurable difference in graduation rates GPA and income after college,

Also living at home or with non-students is a BIG minus. A “B grade” high school student who lives in the dorms will do better than a HS honor student who lives at home or with non-students.

So far the only classes that have been challenging have been college algebra/pre-calc and business calc. Had the same prof for both classes. He is one of the top mathematicians in the country. His classes are challenging and you earn the grade you get.

[zantax]

For me it was geology as a freshman, how hard could rocks be I thought, whoops. I just scammed my way through as a lazy English major, science is work.

I always wanted to work in physics or cosmology but I just didn’t have the right brain for it. My skills are language oriented, not spatial manipulation. Science reporting would have been a good fit but there are like a dozen of those.

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@zantax

For me it was geology as a freshman, how hard could rocks be I thought, whoops. I just scammed my way through as a lazy English major, science is work.

I always wanted to work in physics or cosmology but I just didn’t have the right brain for it. My skills are language oriented, not spatial manipulation. Science reporting would have been a good fit but there are like a dozen of those.

Hahaha. Geology. Freshman. My worst class in college

I am also horrible as spatial perception and manipulation