Iowa Passes Make Sense Legislation

[fallenturtle]

@Guvnah

@fallenturtle

is every situation that puts a child in danger “child abuse”?

Ones that are deliberate and avoidable are.

So driving a child to school and leaving them there for the day is child abuse because you could have home schooled them, but now there’s a chance they could get hurt at school or in a car accident.

It’s sick, and you’re here arguing in support of it.

Your moral condemnation won’t work on me.

[Guvnah]

@fallenturtle

So driving a child to school and leaving them there for the day is child abuse because you could have home schooled them, but now there’s a chance they could get hurt at school or in a car accident.

I fully expected you to concoct some “deliberate danger”, but I expected something better than this.

@fallenturtle

Your moral condemnation won’t work on me.

Of course it won’t. But it’s still sick, and you’re here arguing in support of it.

[fallenturtle]

@Guvnah

I fully expected you to concoct some “deliberate danger”, but I expected something better than this.

So is it or is it not child abuse?

@Guvnah

Of course it won’t. But it’s still sick, and you’re here arguing in support of it.

Right, and your opinion is sick too. That was fruitful.

[Guvnah]

@fallenturtle

So is it or is it not child abuse?

When you get so desperate to defend actual abuse that you have to twist some everyday event into supposed abuse you demonstrate the stupidity of your lib position.

@fallenturtle

Right, and your opinion is sick too.

Coming from you, that’s a compliment.

[fallenturtle]

@Guvnah

When you get so desperate to defend actual abuse that you have to twist some everyday event into supposed abuse you demonstrate the stupidity of your lib position.

The point is that we are constantly subjecting our children to things that could potentially result in irreparable harm or death, so what makes hormone blockers child abuse but all those other things not child abuse?

@Guvnah

Coming from you, that’s a compliment.

You’re welcome.

[Guvnah]

@fallenturtle

so what makes hormone blockers child abuse but all those other things not child abuse?

Already explained.

Quit playing.

[fallenturtle]

@Guvnah

@fallenturtle

so what makes hormone blockers child abuse but all those other things not child abuse?

Already explained.

Okay, I’ll reword it for you:

The point is that we are constantly subjecting our children to deliberate and avoidable things that could potentially result in irreparable harm or death, so what makes hormone blockers child abuse but all those other things not child abuse?

Quit playing.

Quit ■■■■■■■■ the bed.

[WuWei]

The Studies Cited To Support Gender-Bending Kids Are Junk Science

[Guvnah]

@fallenturtle

so what makes hormone blockers child abuse but all those other things not child abuse?

It takes the stupidity of libbism not to know.

I think you actually do know.

[Jezcoe]

@Striker840

@Samm

@Jezcoe

@Guvnah

@Jezcoe

It’s the opposite of that.

To deny trans kids care

Messing with a kid’s hormones like that at such a crucial developmental stage is the height of sick libbism.

But libs call it “care”.

Disgusting.

Puberty blockers are prescribed to cis gendered kids all the time for a variety of reasons.

It is part of a standard of care and to throw doctors and parents into jail for delaying puberty … not stop but delay… is done out of ignorance and for votes.

That would not be a problem. The Bill is specifically about gender modification.

" … the bill would make anybody who “knowingly engages” in specific forms of medical care “to change or affirm the child’s perception of the child’s sex if that perception is inconsistent with the child’s biological sex,” including non-surgical options like puberty blockers or testosterone injections, guilty of a felony."

@Jezcoe, no response to this?
Maybe because it blows your entire premise out of the water??

Nope.

I was responding to the claim that puberty blockers are themselves “disgusting”

Criminalizing treatment is evil

[fallenturtle]

@Guvnah

@fallenturtle

so what makes hormone blockers child abuse but all those other things not child abuse?

It takes the stupidity of libbism not to know.

And it takes the stupidity of connism to be unable to explain it?

I think you actually do know.

My current theory is that you consider it child abuse because you completely discount the idea of someone feeling they are a different gender then what corresponds with their biological sex, believe the researchers and doctors who study it are full of ■■■■■ and therefore anything that involves addressing gender dysphoria in children that involves transitioning is immoral, especially if it involves giving them medication.

[toreyj01]

From my perspective:

1. Transgendered people face a hard road and it is unfair to punish or humiliate them. Instead, they should feel support, or at the least, tolerance.

2. Things that are essential to their well being are constantly being contested by some, including employment, being able to use a restroom, adopting a child, etc. Basic dignity stuff. Those should not ever be withheld and folks need to grow up in regards to just treating people decently.

3. Athletics is an important part of ones life, but one does not have to compete to enjoy it. Especially at high levels. Girls can play tennis with guys at a park and enjoy playing tennis, or skiing on the weekend. These are healthy things to do. But competitive sports is another matter, it brings division and cries of foul play and can worsen opinions about transgendered people and their motivations to change in the first place.

When you are facing such a momentous decision, to change ones gender, it should be recognized that there are a lot of things you are gaining and a few you are losing. You won’t ever be able to bear a child if you have bottom surgery, for one thing. And, to me, competitive sports is probably not in the cards as well. You can still enjoy the sport, but I don’t think competing against the gender you identify with is a good idea.

[Guvnah]

@Jezcoe

I was responding to the claim that puberty blockers are themselves “disgusting”

Who said that?

You know there is context here. Pretending there is not that context is typical lib dishonesty.

We’re talking about doing it to fulfill a lib fad. I, for one, used that precise phrase.

[Guvnah]

@fallenturtle

And it takes the stupidity of connism to be unable to explain it?

I’ll repeat. I think you actually do know. You and other libs in this thread. Dishonest peas in a pod.

@fallenturtle

My current theory is that you …

Your theory is worth nothing to me. You endorse this abuse, and you have no credibility whatsoever.

[fallenturtle]

@Guvnah

I’ll repeat. I think you actually do know. You and other libs in this thread. Dishonest peas in a pod.

I told you what I “know” and you dismissed it… said its worth nothing.

you have no credibility whatsoever

Nor do you. Now do you want to discuss the topic or are you just going to continue with the personal attacks?

[PurpnGold]

@Guvnah

We’re talking about doing it to fulfill a lib fad

Transgender people are real. It isn’t a fad either.

The use of puberty blockers should be between the family and their doctor. That no more abuse that deciding to put your teen on birth control.

[Guvnah]

@fallenturtle

I told you what I “know” and you dismissed it

That’s because you rightly know it’s crap, and need to put “know” in quotes.

Messing with a kid’s developmental hormones to promote a lib fad is abuse.

[fallenturtle]

@Guvnah

@fallenturtle

I told you what I “know” and you dismissed it

That’s because you rightly know it’s crap, and need to put “know” in quotes.

Messing with a kid’s developmental hormones to promote a lib fad is abuse.

Your unprofessional opinion is noted.

[Guvnah]

@fallenturtle

. Now do you want to discuss the topic or are you just going to continue with the personal attacks?

Nothing to discuss with the likes of you. You want to promote this abuse. It’s sick.

[Guvnah]

@PurpnGold

Transgender people are real. It isn’t a fad either.

Of course they are.

The context of this thread is about monkeying with a prepubescent’s physical development with hormones. That’s the fad.

It’s abuse.