Iowa Passes Make Sense Legislation

[Guvnah]

@PurpnGold

We should figure out what to do with already transitioning athletes. If they started a testosterone or estrogen treatment… they should compete with their “transitioned to” sex

This entire thread is about why the highlighted statement should not be.

Iowa is doing the right thing. Don’t like it? Don’t move to Iowa. If you don’t live there, it’s not your problem.

[PurpnGold]

@Guvnah

@PurpnGold

We should figure out what to do with already transitioning athletes. If they started a testosterone or estrogen treatment… they should compete with their “transitioned to” sex

This entire thread is about why the highlighted statement should not be.

Iowa is doing the right thing. Don’t like it? Don’t move to Iowa. If you don’t live there, it’s not your problem.

Mack Beggs?

[fallenturtle]

@Rodeo

@fallenturtle

Do you think women come out of the womb wanting to wear skirts and lipstick?

No one with a brain thinks that…

You are complimenting your psycho babble with more stupid psycho babble.

Great, then you agree gender expression is a social construct.

Do you believe the idea of women being submissive and men being domineering is purely biological or do you think society plays a role in teaching women to be submissive and men to be domineering?

[Paul_Thomson]

@JayJay

If it’s about fairness, make it about fairness and not this ■■■■■■■■ that “girls are being psychologically and emotionally damaged forever”

Who said “psychologically and emotionally damaged forever”?

Many girls are being emotionally and psychologically scarred by this theft by so-called trans athletes of the fairness that was inherent in women’s sports when only biological women were eligible to compete.

You and those “trans” athletes don’t understand the offense being suffered by these women and girls, because neither you nor your “trans” proteges are female or feminine.

[Rodeo]

Since it’s apparently your intent to support your psycho babble with more psycho babble I will respectfully bow out of the conversation. I’m not interested in your circular rabbit holes. You’ll argue that we teach gender roles, I ll argue that none of the women in my life are submissive, that domineering men are basically just jerks, and that if the discussion is that gender is a learned behavior then the decision of some to try to push kids into believing they are something they are not should also be questioned and avoided.

We are born make or female.

This thread is about the physical advantages of men over women re: sports.

I support Iowa’s law and hope more states will follow suit. If you disagree that’s up to you.

And no I don’t agree with your gender expression is a social construct crap those are your words not mine.

[WuWei]

You have a crush?

[Jezcoe]

@fallenturtle

They’re biological sex may not be, but they are.

Even keeping to a discussion of biological sex will leave a wide middle ground between Male and Female.

Sex and Gender are not binary but Bimodal in that the majority falls into two well defined categories but there is a lot of variance between those two peaks in the graph.

[WuWei]

Sex is binary.

[WuWei]

Is she competing now?

[fallenturtle]

@Rodeo

Since it’s apparently your intent to support your psycho babble with more psycho babble I will respectfully bow out of the conversation. I’m not interested in your circular rabbit holes. You’ll argue that we teach gender roles, I ll argue that none of the women in my life are submissive, that domineering men are basically just jerks, and that if the discussion is that gender is a learned behavior then the decision of some to try to push kids into believing they are something they are not should also be questioned and avoided.

We are born make or female.

I support Iowa’s law and hope more states will follow suit. If you disagree that’s up to you.

And no I don’t agree with your gender expression is a social construct crap those are your words not mine.

It’s because you know many aspects of gender are socially constructed but you just don’t want to admit it. Women aren’t naturally lipstick and skirt wearing submissive housewives and that association with women is a social construct.

This thread is about the physical advantages of men over women re: sports.

Then why did you reply to my post about the definition of gender? Just to thump your chest and piss on sociologists?

[WuWei]

Actually your constant harping on this is a good point. Add this to @JayJay’s “tiered” thing (if I understand it correctly) and we have a solution - you can compete up, never down.

So Melissa Beggs should have been allowed to wrestle boys. And so should any other girl, trans or not.

Will Thomas cannot swim with girls because that is down.

Problem solved.

[Guvnah]

@WuWei

you can compete up, never down.

When I was in high school, many sports didn’t have a women’s team, and the women competed with the boys. Swimming. Track. Tennis. Among others.

Here’s a story about girls making it to a state wrestling finals – against boys. AS FEMALES. Not as hormone enhanced girls saying they are males.

Only one girl had ever qualified for IHSAA wrestling state finals. This year,...

[WuWei]

They do it in baseball. My 13 year-old kid competed in 18U. No competing in 12U.

[Guvnah]

@WuWei

They do it in baseball.

Right.

A lot of girls don’t want to be relegated to softball.

[Samm]

@Jezcoe

@Samm

@Jezcoe

They lost the battle against the gays so they had to find a new target.

You might want to check your holier than thou attitude and look back on exactly who was involved in the so-called (by you) battle against gsys.

By me?

What battle?

Don’t ask me. You are the one who claims there is one.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@Rodeo

@fallenturtle

It’s complicated. Gender roles and gender expression are based on social constructs. Gender identity is one’s internal sense of which gender they are and while those feelings are innate the way we define them is based on social constructions.

Psycho babble

Psycho babble ■■■■■■■■ you mean!

[Samm]

@WuWei

Actually your constant harping on this is a good point. Add this to @JayJay’s “tiered” thing (if I understand it correctly) and we have a solution - you can compete up, never down.

So Melissa Beggs should have been allowed to wrestle boys. And so should any other girl, trans or not.

Will Thomas cannot swim with girls because that is down.

Problem solved.

Yep. Like boxing or wrestling above one’s weight class.

[fallenturtle]

@Eagle-Keeper

@Rodeo

@fallenturtle

It’s complicated. Gender roles and gender expression are based on social constructs. Gender identity is one’s internal sense of which gender they are and while those feelings are innate the way we define them is based on social constructions.

Psycho babble

Psycho babble ■■■■■■■■ you mean!

■■■■■■■■ because you’ve read it all and can say for certainty its ■■■■■■■■■ or because you just don’t like what it says? Many folks here in general seem to have hatred towards sociology and psychology.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@Eagle-Keeper

@Rodeo

@fallenturtle

It’s complicated. Gender roles and gender expression are based on social constructs. Gender identity is one’s internal sense of which gender they are and while those feelings are innate the way we define them is based on social constructions.
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Psycho babble

Psycho babble ■■■■■■■■ you mean!

■■■■■■■■ because you’ve read it all and can say for certainty its ■■■■■■■■■ or because you just don’t like what it says? Many folks here in general seem to have hatred towards sociology and psychology.

How about giving birth to a child, that’s a social construct isn’t it?

[Janet_Miller]

Yeah, so are certain bodily fluids like semen and monthly blood that can only come from persons of one sex or the other.

Isn’t equality of the sexes great?

Sarcasm off.