Interesting Portents of Shifting Alliances - Hispanicos & Black Nation

[thinkingman]

damn. great post

[PurpnGold]

@WuWei

Lowest unemployment rates in history for one thing.

Thanks Obama. What are they now?

@WuWei

Do republicans need the ADOS vote to be successful? I don’t think so. It is less important each passing year.
They could also focus on “the other black vote” very easily.

No I don’t think they do either. In order to get that vote they will have to continue to adopt democrat positions. Not sure they will do that post Trump.

@WuWei

Republicans probably don’t need 70% of 40M, they probably need 10-15% of 20M.

And struggle to get even that. Trump moved the needle, but he is an anomaly for the traditional (post CRA) GOP.

@WuWei

I think the answer for them is America First.

I believe this is true. Dems are even adopting this stance.

[WuWei]

@thinkingman

the left sure loves to create more aggrieved groups.

Sure, that’s the whole crit strategy. Notice how it evolves.

POC is now BIPOC. Feminism was first. Then black. Then queer. Then black again.

Their problem is it works. And once it works, that group is no longer aggrieved. Now you have to develop a new proletariat.

Here’s the problem clearly defined:

This society in which we live does not immiserate the workers but helps them to build a better life.

People with “a better life” don’t want a revolution - of any kind.

And once they have it, the people in their group who continue to demand it seem more and more crazy. There comes a point where rational people say, “Ok, that’s enough. We’ve done enough.”

The other problem is equality vs fair and outcome based. The vast majority, especially Americans, get to a point where they say, “Ok, we’ve done this, this and this. Now it’s up to you.”

Of course those points vary from person to person.

[PurpnGold]

@SixFoot

They could’ve had a Platinum Plan by now.

I thought we would have, but after finding out that Trump underfunded the first step act and the proposed increase to HBCUs…

I’m skeptical he would have followed through on the reparations plan.

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

“Hispanics are leaving thinking about leaving the democrat party to vote for Republicans who are taking up traditional democrat political stances”

Look at the numbers. And that’s given that republicans are their own worst enemy. “Build the wall! Deport! Taco Salad!”

What traditional democrat stances did republicans take up?

Liberal stances maybe. Which they should. Meanwhile what stances did the DNC take up?

[WuWei]

@conan

LOL @SneakySFDude Remember forum libs ensured us that Hispanics will never shift alliances/party because we are too racist, that they don’t hold our values etc. We were told how disillusion we were for saying it.

This is what happens when democrat/libs start believing they think for everyone else.

Sure. It’s the authoritarianism for a lot of people.

The GOP needs to become the party of individual freedom.

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

From a macro level… black people typically prosper more under democrat presidency.

Not true. Look at the data.

“Prosper” and “pander” are two different things. Handouts are not prospering.

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

Trump adopted some democrat positions that resonates with some Hispanics and even black people.

Which democratic positions did Trump adopt?

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

So I see it as a potential party switch… which happens every 70 years or so.

What?

[WuWei]

@Eagle-Keeper

@WuWei

Be interesting to see what the numbers look like broken down a little further.

I thought they wanted millions of more impoverished Latinx people here in the US to provide free education, Healthcare, housing, meals, etc. for?

Some do. Most probably don’t.

[WuWei]

[conan]

@WuWei

The GOP needs to become the party of individual freedom.

Precisely…as they once were.

Time to make rugged individualism cool again.

[WuWei]

@FreeAndClear

I have been saying for this years on this very forum.

Despite the right wing tearing it’s hair out over illegals being firmly in the dem corner, Hispanics have a lot of conservative values and while they are not homogenous will shift towards the gop. We have been seeing the trend for two decades

The illegals are a problem. For everybody.

[WuWei]

@FreeAndClear

@Eagle-Keeper

@WuWei

Be interesting to see what the numbers look like broken down a little further.

I thought they wanted millions of more impoverished Latinx people here in the US to provide free education, Healthcare, housing, meals, etc. for?

I thought those millions would always vote dem?

They will vote for who pays them.

[FreeAndClear]

They are. Doesn’t take away from the fact that “importing voters” talking point is complete nonsense

[FreeAndClear]

@WuWei

@FreeAndClear

@Eagle-Keeper

@WuWei

Be interesting to see what the numbers look like broken down a little further.

I thought they wanted millions of more impoverished Latinx people here in the US to provide free education, Healthcare, housing, meals, etc. for?

I thought those millions would always vote dem?

They will vote for who pays them.

They are paid now. For how long?

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

Well don’t republicans need to be better in order to move the needle.

Yes. They are, slightly.

@PurpnGold

There needs to be an incentive.

If you mean pandering to a specific racial group, no.

[WuWei]

@FreeAndClear

@WuWei

@FreeAndClear

@Eagle-Keeper

@WuWei

Be interesting to see what the numbers look like broken down a little further.

I thought they wanted millions of more impoverished Latinx people here in the US to provide free education, Healthcare, housing, meals, etc. for?

I thought those millions would always vote dem?

They will vote for who pays them.

They are paid now. For how long?

Until they don’t need then anymore.

[PurpnGold]

@WuWei

Their problem is it works. And once it works, that group is no longer aggrieved. Now you have to develop a new proletariat.

Very broad paragraph here…

Let’s just look at history…

Abolitionists (activists) fought for black slaves to be free… once they were free… did they continue to fight for black slaves to be free? No. They change their focus to “equality”.

Now those same activists wanted former slaves to be “integrated” into society… this is reconstruction. Specifically the freedman’s bureau. Once they had that organization, did they stop? No because the bureau was dismantled and black codes started… then Jim Crow etc etc.

My point here is activism/progressivism is ACTIVE. The question of “when does it end” constantly shifts. If you were to ask some opponents of emancipation if enough progress was had I’m sure they would say “yep, we freed them, we are done here”.

What does “done” actually mean?

[WuWei]

@SixFoot

@FreeAndClear

Hispanics have a lot of conservative values

Yes they do, and their conservative nature is being highlighted by the increasingly rabid nature of the alienating left.

As soon as they become successful, that nature can come out. Until then, it’s survival mode.