Well, if that’s true, that’s sneaky.
Samm
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It’s written by politicians … what do you expect?
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Oryx
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Yeah, this concerns me too. Here in northern Wisconsin, my car has to work when it’s -25 degrees or colder.
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Samm
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And unless you keep your car in a heated garage, it will take forever to warm up the cab to a comfortable level. You’ll probably have to top off the charge to make the round trip to work.
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Oryx
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My garage is not heated, my car is an ice cube on winter mornings. I don’t see an EV in my near future.
Samm
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Not to mention that charging your car overnight is the equivalent of leaving you electric oven on 400 degrees overnight.
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That’s a weakness of EVs. Running the heater on battery power cuts your range significantly.
They do have a workaround for shorter trips, like a fifteen to twenty mile commute. Most EVs allow you to precondition the cabin while it’s still drawing off the mains. Basically you tell the car you’re leaving in 30 minutes and to warm the car. It’ll get the cabin to your designated temperature and once you unplug it to leave it’ll kick the heater off. Usually it’ll keep the heated seats on since that draws only a small amount of power.
But it is an issue that unfortunately can’t be rectified with existing technology. By comparison, running the electric air compressor for cooling the cabin is weirdly far more efficient. There is still some range loss but it’s no where near as severe as running the heater.
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They’re actually pretty smart with their temperature tolerances these days compared to older first gen EVs with the batteries. The battery control module monitors the temperature of the battery and adjusts the battery temp regulation system as needed while charging to maximize longevity. Most of them are liquid cooled now; I think Nissan is the only manufacturer still using ambient temperature control for the battery pack.
Depends on how long your commute is. Like I mentioned to Sam all but the cheapest EVs have a preconditioning system that can operate the heater and the car’s defroster while it’s still connected to the mains. You’ll still lose range because of the extreme cold, but it wont cut it as bad as trying to condition the cabin and defrosting the glass while operating off of the battery. And the good thing is that heated seats use very little power compared to the main electric heater so those can be run continuously with just a small range penalty.
Ultimately EVs aren’t for everyone. I could make one work easily for my daily commute, but not as my only vehicle unless I go the Tesla route. In Mississippi and across most of the Deep South Tesla is the only manufacturer who has invested in charging stations for long distance trips. And Tesla is honestly hit or miss with their quality control.
The Ford Mach E (I refuse to call it a Mustang) is honestly the best reasonably priced EV on the market. It feels the most like a normal car, just powered by electricity instead of gas. But the issue is that they can’t (as of now) Level 3 charge off of Tesla’s network. And Electrify America stations don’t exist here.
I’ll eventually get an EV, but I’m holding out for now. With petrol cars we’ve reached the point of diminishing returns so buying one to keep makes sense. With an EV it’s actually better to lease since they are early in their development cycle and year over year there are massive technology improvements that make them more practical.
A five year old EV is a generation behind a brand new one. With a gas powered car it’s the exact opposite. You can get a 2012-2014 Lexus LS460 with low miles for about twenty grand. And that car feels just as modern as a 2021 model year version.
Samm
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I’m talking about the energy draw through the meter, not the temperature of the battery.
I am pretty sure most of the money will come from commercial vehicles.
Doesn’t make sense for republicans to tax the average joe.
Allan
If there is one thing about government that always holds true it’s that they will always find a way to screw over the working man.
Both parties are guilty of this. It’s a feature of the system.
Enter Tesla’s Heat Pump System
I’ve seen that but they haven’t implemented it into all their vehicles yet.
You still lose some range but it is a lot more efficient than the traditional electric heater.
I wish there was a way they could salvage heat from the battery pack to use for cabin heating. That way you wouldn’t lose any range at all.
We are in the second generation of EVs. In another five years I fully believe they’ll be just as convenient to own as gas burners for 90% of the population.
Only place I see them struggling is for heavy towing applications. Towing murders the range on an EV just like it does on a gas burner. But it’s a lot more severe on an ev. TFL Truck did some good testing towing a trailer behind a Model X and I was pretty shocked at the range drop. Nearly two thirds of the range was lost towing near max capacity. Gas and diesels suffer a range loss too but no where near that bad.
As of early this year, they have. But those are newer models and of course Tesla is on the high end of EVs so most people can’t benefit from it.
I’m not the smartest on how a heat pump works but I believe it does take wasted heat and redirects it to the cabin. Like a reverse AC. I just don’t know if it does that with heat from the battery or if it is just heat from the motor
I agree with this, which is why I always have a problem with some Conservatives, (not you) who say the poor don’t pay taxes.
As you rightly state, they pay a disproportionate amount when considering all taxes, including sin taxes as well.
EV drivers not paying their share is just another way poor folks get bent over. They’re still paying and the roads are getting crappier because a lot of other drivers aren’t chipping in a dime.
You can get around that by using a regular plug but it charges so slow that most folks would probably prefer to pay the tax. It is REAL slow.
Yeah like four days to charge a small EV slow.
That’s a cool set up. I imagine they would use both. Electric motors and li-ion batteries don’t generate a ton of heat compared to an ICE (they are far more efficient so less waste heat to use) so if it was me I would salvage heat from both sources.
