In regards to the Veteran who supposedly was forced to sell his home because of HoA fines over a silly flag in a flower pot

[zantax]

@PeterGriffin

@zantax

My new neighbor just threw up a six foot fence the neighors are calling a hillbilly fence without getting a permit from the ARB first as required. I certainly wouldn’t stand by and see them lose their house over it. If they were fined and couldn’t afford the fine, I’d pay it and I don’t even know them yet. And I have to look at the damn thing. What’s wrong with you people.

“why aren’t I getting credit for all these things I haven’t done??”

Sure, I want a little credit for not taking people’s homes over a four inch flag in a flowerpot. Or no, I don’t think I should get any credit for that because it’s basic human decency.

[PeterGriffin]

Yeah, you’re being a little precious. You were looking for attaboys for an imaginary fine that you haven’t paid.

[zantax]

@PeterGriffin

Yeah, you’re being a little precious. You were looking for attaboys for an imaginary fine that you haven’t paid.

No I wasn’t.

[Yakshi]

For 14 months, I worked for a law firm that exclusively represented HOAs. It was about all I could handle. The property manager and our office would get calls from HOA residents about stuff like this. These calls came often. (The picture in your mind is accurate: retirees walking the block in search of offenses.) Then we’d investigate and send letters basically asking the offending party to stop giving meaning to the lives of these busybodies.

The offenses were almost always small. Some guy wants to plant a bush in the front yard.

But rules are rules.

My bitterness aside, my point is that often—90% of the time?—these issues became issues because of the pressure of other residents, who knew the bylaws like memorized scripture.

So, I sympathize with the flag-in-flowerpot guy, but I also think he’s an idiot.

[PeterGriffin]

@zantax

I certainly wouldn’t stand by and see them lose their house over it. If they were fined and couldn’t afford the fine, I’d pay it and I don’t even know them yet.

^^^Looking for attaboys for things that haven’t happened yet and things he hasn’t done.

[Bomberfox]

For me, it is just a way of sharing costs.

[zantax]

@PeterGriffin

@zantax

I certainly wouldn’t stand by and see them lose their house over it. If they were fined and couldn’t afford the fine, I’d pay it and I don’t even know them yet.

^^^Looking for attaboys for things that haven’t happened yet and things he hasn’t done.

Whatever. If it makes you feel better to assume so, knock yourself out.

[PeterGriffin]

Here’s a pretend pat on the back for that thing you didn’t do.

[zantax]

@PeterGriffin

Here’s a pretend pat on the back for that thing you didn’t do.

And here is a who cares what you think, not me, in return.

[Yakshi]

@PeterGriffin

Here’s a pretend pat on the back for that thing you didn’t do.

I laughed out loud.

[Bomberfox]

I dont quite agree, probably all of us have broken a small law at one point.

[PeterGriffin]

@zantax

And here is a who cares what you think, not me, in return.

I think the Kool Kids call it “virtue signaling” these days.

“Hey, here’s this imaginary situation, and theoretically this is what I would do…”

[Yakshi]

Often, I think the violator doesn’t know he’s breaking a rule.

Stay friendly with neighbors in HOAs.

When Halloween comes around, give the kids full-sized Snickers.

[Safiel]

@zantax

For example, my neighbors with the hillbilly fence, erected it very close to the property line, so close that part of the concrete footing for the posts is technically on my property. Legally I could take them to court and force them to remove them but just because you can legally do something that doesn’t make it the right or the neighborly thing to do.

Actually, this precisely the sort of the thing I would and have taken people to court over.

When I owned property in the tri-cities area of Tennessee, I had a neighbor start construction of what amounted to a cattle fence. I got an emergency court order to enjoin further work while I obtained a survey of our mutual property line, which showed he was on my side of the property line by fully 8 feet. He was ordered to re-mediate the damage to my property and ordered to reimburse me the costs of the survey and was ordered to obtain surveys for the remainder of his property before resuming construction. I was also awarded court costs and attorneys costs as the court deemed his actions to be reckless.

He never bothered me over it, he coughed up the money without a word as well as paying for the required re-mediation to my property.

But you NEVER let stuff like that slide, not in the slightest, no matter how slight the infringement might be.

[zantax]

@PeterGriffin

@zantax

And here is a who cares what you think, not me, in return.

I think the Kool Kids call it “virtue signaling” these days.

“Hey, here’s this imaginary situation, and theoretically this is what I would do…”

I don’t consider it especially virtuous, I consider it common decency, note the word common.

[PeterGriffin]

So if this theoritical situation were to develop, that is theoretically what you would do. And Safiel says you’re a doofus for it.

I tend to agree with Safiel but for different reasons.

[zantax]

@Safiel

@zantax

For example, my neighbors with the hillbilly fence, erected it very close to the property line, so close that part of the concrete footing for the posts is technically on my property. Legally I could take them to court and force them to remove them but just because you can legally do something that doesn’t make it the right or the neighborly thing to do.

Actually, this precisely the sort of the thing I would and have taken people to court over.

When I owned property in the tri-cities area of Tennessee, I had a neighbor start construction of what amounted to a cattle fence. I got an emergency court order to enjoin further work while I obtained a survey of our mutual property line, which showed he was on my side of the property line by fully 8 feet. He was ordered to re-mediate the damage to my property and ordered to reimburse me the costs of the survey and was ordered to obtain surveys for the remainder of his property before resuming construction. I was also awarded court costs and attorneys costs as the court deemed his actions to be reckless.

He never bothered me over it, he coughed up the money without a word as well as paying for the required re-mediation to my property.

But you NEVER let stuff like that slide, not in the slightest, no matter how slight the infringement might be.

Your call but I am pretty sure I can live with his couple of inches of concrete footings on my side of the property line.

[Safiel]

@PeterGriffin

So if this theoritical situation were to develop, that is theoretically what you would do. And Safiel says you’re a doofus for it.

I tend to agree with Safiel but for different reasons.

I will be nice and not use the term doofus.

Naive would be the term I would employ.

Let something like that stand and you could theoretically find yourself in an adverse possession situation for the infringed portion of the property.

Like most others in Pennsylvania, I mark my property thoroughly with No Trespassing signs and I watch for signs of trespassing and infringement.

Adverse possession is a real thing and people have found that out the hard way.

[zantax]

@Safiel

@PeterGriffin

So if this theoritical situation were to develop, that is theoretically what you would do. And Safiel says you’re a doofus for it.

I tend to agree with Safiel but for different reasons.

I will be nice and not use the term doofus.

Naive would be the term I would employ.

Let something like that stand and you could theoretically find yourself in an adverse possession situation for the infringed portion of the property.

Like most others in Pennsylvania, I mark my property thoroughly with No Trespassing signs and I watch for signs of trespassing and infringement.

Adverse possession is a real thing and people have found that out the hard way.

I know what adverse possession is, if in 21 years, they manage to claim a few inches of my property because they placed concrete fence post footings on it, I don’t care enough to do anything about it. In a coincidence, we were using about 30 feet of that property for the last 15 years, the old neighbors placed their fence that far back and we just assumes that was where the property line was, the people we bought from were using it and maintaining it and the neighbors never objected or treated it as theirs.

The new neighbors came over right after they bought it to ask if we knew where the property line really was, we did because we had looked it up online for another reason about five years ago, so I said yes and they asked if I had any inclination to fight it, to which I replied, no, its your property. We had some raised vegetable beds on it, they asked me to remove them, but I just asked them if they wanted to keep them instead, they did.

[zantax]

Still a bit peeved over their ugly stockade fence, it’s a nice neighborhood and nobody else uses those, they use rail fence or steel ornamental fence. Especially since it doesn’t serve any privacy purpose, our property is elevated above it so it doesn’t serve that purpose. Not worth making an enemy out of them though. I’ll just get a little satisfaction knowing the neighbors think they’re rubes for doing it.