Impeachment support building?

[zonulet]

Auntie Maxine spotted hanging out at “gasoline” stations

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[Smyrna]

@CaughtInTheMiddle

regular ole hard working Americans don’t want all the drama that the spoiled rich punk brought to DC. we want him to close him mouth and work stuff out. as it is a 1970s Soap Opera semi star is running our country and people are tired of him.

man, 2020 and the next election can’t get here fast enough (along with Mueller reporting and the State attorney generals sending the Trumps to the prison for Tax evasion and money laundering).

pipe dream

noun

Definition of pipe dream

: an illusory or fantastic plan, hope, or story

What’s the origin of the phrase ‘Pipe dream’?

The phrase ‘pipe dream’ is an allusion to the dreams experienced by smokers of opium pipes.

[calirepub]

McConnell is that you?

[Smyrna]

Why…yes…how did you guess?

[WorldWatcher]

@"Orygun

I’m pretty sure Trump is going to pin his hopes on the Democrats suing him if/when he tries to go the National Emergency route. Then he gets to blame them when he doesn’t get his Wall.

But who knows even that plan may backfire on him as senate republicans are loathe to follow him down that rabbit hole.

This whole thing is blowing up in the GOPs face. The Dems just get to sit back and watch Trump dig his hole deeper and deeper.

I’m not so sure of that.

If I were a DEM, I think they would go a different route. Trump probably expects a court challenge – and that he will lose but will still save face. However he can “declare” an emergency and Congress can end his declaration by vote. Now the vote can fail, it can pass and he can veto (but then it is still subject to a veto override). IMHO, I think the Joint Resolution would pass (simple majority) but that Trump would veto, but it would then fail the veto override. You can bet the House will pass a JR in a hot minute and send it to the Senate.

See the provisions from The National Security Act of 1976 below. McConnell will hate it if the President uses the National Emergency Act to declare and emergency to bypass congress because the way I read it he will have no recourse but to refer it to committee, which then must report, and the Senate will be required to take a vote. McConnell in no way wants a recorded vote by GOP Senators on this.

(c) (1) A concurrent resolution to terminate a national emergency
declared by the President shall be referred to the appropriate com-
mittee of the House of Representatives or the Senate, as the case may
be. One such concurrent resolution shall be reported out by such com-
mittee together with its recommendations within fifteen calendar days
after the day on which such resolution is referred to such committee,
unless such House shall otherwise determine by the yeas and nays.
(2) Any concurrent resolution so reported shall become the pend-
ing business of the House in question (in the case of the Senate the
time for debate shall be equally divided between the proponents and
the opponents) and shall be voted on within three calendar days after
the day on which such resolution is reported, unless such House shall
otherwise determine by yeas and nays.
(3) Such a concurrent resolution passed by one House shall be
referred to the appropriate committee of the other House and shall be
reported out by such committee together with its recommendations
within fifteen calendar days after the day on which such resolution is
referred to such committee and shall thereupon become the pending
business of such House and shall be voted upon within three calendar
days after the day on which such resolution is reported, unless such
House shall otherwise determine by yeas and nays.

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Text of H.R. 3884 (94th): National Emergencies Act (Passed Congress version)...

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[Impenitent]

Let’s eat Grandma… Let’s eat, Grandma…

[madasheck]

There’s no reason for a realistically serious discussion on this until the Mueller investigation report is in. Until then, the topic is just coffee ktatch fodder that really means nothing. I have my suspicions that the Mueller report won’t be an empty nest, but it’s pointless to even worry about that at this point.

What I can think about is how to keep him to one term. Which would be the best thing for this country since sliced bread.

[lulubee]

@zonulet

Auntie Maxine spotted hanging out at “gasoline” stations

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Actually, she is hanging out on the House Financial Service Committee as it’s Chairperson.

[zonulet]

Oh yes about to bestow her brilliance on the American people once again.

“We do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac, and particularly Fannie Mae, under the outstanding leadership of Frank Raines.” Auntie Mad Max

[DOLOOP]

@WorldWatcher

@"Orygun

I’m pretty sure Trump is going to pin his hopes on the Democrats suing him if/when he tries to go the National Emergency route. Then he gets to blame them when he doesn’t get his Wall.

But who knows even that plan may backfire on him as senate republicans are loathe to follow him down that rabbit hole.

This whole thing is blowing up in the GOPs face. The Dems just get to sit back and watch Trump dig his hole deeper and deeper.

I’m not so sure of that.

If I were a DEM, I think they would go a different route. Trump probably expects a court challenge – and that he will lose but will still save face. However he can “declare” an emergency and Congress can end his declaration by vote. Now the vote can fail, it can pass and he can veto (but then it is still subject to a veto override). IMHO, I think the Joint Resolution would pass (simple majority) but that Trump would veto, but it would then fail the veto override. You can bet the House will pass a JR in a hot minute and send it to the Senate.

See the provisions from The National Security Act of 1976 below. McConnell will hate it if the President uses the National Emergency Act to declare and emergency to bypass congress because the way I read it he will have no recourse but to refer it to committee, which then must report, and the Senate will be required to take a vote. McConnell in no way wants a recorded vote by GOP Senators on this.

(c) (1) A concurrent resolution to terminate a national emergency
declared by the President shall be referred to the appropriate com-
mittee of the House of Representatives or the Senate, as the case may
be. One such concurrent resolution shall be reported out by such com-
mittee together with its recommendations within fifteen calendar days
after the day on which such resolution is referred to such committee,
unless such House shall otherwise determine by the yeas and nays.
(2) Any concurrent resolution so reported shall become the pend-
ing business of the House in question (in the case of the Senate the
time for debate shall be equally divided between the proponents and
the opponents) and shall be voted on within three calendar days after
the day on which such resolution is reported, unless such House shall
otherwise determine by yeas and nays.
(3) Such a concurrent resolution passed by one House shall be
referred to the appropriate committee of the other House and shall be
reported out by such committee together with its recommendations
within fifteen calendar days after the day on which such resolution is
referred to such committee and shall thereupon become the pending
business of such House and shall be voted upon within three calendar
days after the day on which such resolution is reported, unless such
House shall otherwise determine by yeas and nays.

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Text of H.R. 3884 (94th): National Emergencies Act (Passed Congress version) - GovTrack.us
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Folks need to absorb this. McConnell can only continue to be Trump’s lapdog for as long as senators don’t have to vote. Emergency declaration takes that power out of McConnels hand and chucks him firmly under the bus.

That ain’t happening unless Trump is willing to put potential future cover fire from the senate on the table.

He may be that stupid. We’ll see. But he needs those people if it comes down to a trial.