Impeachment: A form of voter supression?

The impeachment enquiry is only a few months from the first presidential primaries. A reasonable question is why not let the voters decide if Trump’s alleged crimes are worthy of removal from office?

Nancy Pelosi was asked that question at recent new conference and responded that the voters are not going to decide; impeachment is all about congress upholding the oath of office. See video starting at 2:38

In contrast consider her description of the Clinton impeachment:

"In the investigation of the president, fundamental principles which Americans hold dear – fairness, privacy, checks and balances – have been seriously violated and why? Because we are here today because the Republicans in the House are paralyzed with hatred of President Clinton. . . ”-- Nancy Pelosi 1998.

Democrats are fond of claiming the at requiring voters to provide identification are diabolical attempts at voter suppression.

My observation is that removing the president from office would effectively negate the 130 million votes cast in the 2016 election. Removal from office can also include the sanction from holding office in the future, so voters would be unable to override the result.

Is the Democrat impeachment plan really a form of voter suppression?

You can vote all you want, but the votes don’t matter?

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Impeachment is unconstitutional and the democrats should be charged.

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Your observation is wrong.

What is unConstitutional about Impeachment? It’s actually written in the Constitution.

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Of course votes matter. And Trump will only be removed from office if both a majority of Representatives and two thirds of Senators we all voted for decide his behavior warrants it.

You’re not entirely wrong - but you’re failing to see that that’s the point.

As you guys normally love to point out, we are not a direct Democracy. We are a country of laws, and the “will of the people” only goes so far.

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Are you claiming that Pelosi is misquoted when she said “voters are not going to decide”?

The first primary is just four months away.

Voters choose Representatives and Senators in elections. Those are the individuals who engage in the Constitutional process of impeachment.

Voters already did their part during the last few elections.

are you suggesting that impeachment shouldn’t exist? its written right in the Constitution Congress is within its power to remove the President from office.

or are you trying to suggest that D’s are only talking about impeachment to hurt Trump in 2020 election in hopes that he loses.

The Constitution is pretty clear on exactly what things voters get to decide. Impeachment isn’t one of them.

Normally I would be in favor of impeachment if it was warranted, like when Bill Clinton got impeached, or for the many times that Obama should have been impeached. However, considering we’re so close to an election, it would be probably be unconstitutional to impeach Trump now. The voters should be able to have a voice in this great decision. We don’t seat Supreme Justices in the last two years of a President’s term, and impeachment should be be treated in a similar manner.

My observation is that Democrats will fight for the right to vote until the voters vote the “wrong” way. Then they are more than happy to override the vote, usually through the actions of judges and other unelected officials.

A classic example is Proposition 8 in California. A single, unelected judge effectively invalidated the votes of over 13 million people. Yay!

For three years Democrats have been refusing the recognize the legitimacy of the 2016 election. The impeachment is just another chapter of “Not My President”.

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Valid questions. Pelosi may be showing some hypocrisy in her treatment of the two situations, but Trump has given her just cause for the inquiry. There are six committees involved in the inquiry, so hopefully that will be enough people to provide an objective finding. There is not an impeachment in progress, they are deciding if there appears to have been sufficient misdeeds to justify one.

That there have been many misdeeds isn’t really disputable anymore.

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Sorry Bill. You had your shot at “let the voters decide” in 2016 with Merrick Garland. As Trumpers are fond of saying, no do overs.

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Will of the majority doesn’t get to step on the rights of the minority

Not to derail this thread, but hypocrisy is on both sides.
Listen to Lindsay Graham “preach” about impeachment during Clinton’s term.

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The Founders, in their wisdom, recognized the terrible dangers of mob rule. That’s why they designed our political system as they did - a system where the law stands above popular opinion.

You’re right. That is a perfect example.

“The people” can’t vote laws into place that violate the Constitution, no matter how many Californians voted for Prop. 8.

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Unlike the President, Representatives and Senators are directly elected by the people.
During the 2018 midterm elections, the Democrats won as many as 40 House seats and won a Senate seat from Arizona for the first time in 30 years.

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Right. Just like a President asking a foreign country we are giving aid to investigate possible corrupt activities is a crime.

Yep, the Democrats are still trying to get a do-over on the 2016 election.

And they are debating plans to expand the Supreme Court to assure they can on continue to ram an extreme agenda.

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