Impeach trump now

Jamerican · 2019-04-22T20:51:47.801Z

AS much as it pains me to say this, I don’t think impeachment is the answer. All it would do is further embolden is flock especially if impeachment charges is not successful. I prefer the decision be left up to the people. My hope is a decent fair minded republican would run against him and a fair minded democrat in the general.

This country needs balance and should stay balanced, we cannot fall into the trap in going too far right or too far left. Both would yield horrible results.

westaussie · 2019-04-22T20:53:25.516Z

I am referring to the press conference he gave on the day the Mueller report (redacted version) was released. Why would Barr hold the press conference that day prior to the release of the report?

I am not sure why you mentioned about the redactions as I made no comment about what the redactions were nor who made them.

westaussie · 2019-04-22T20:56:41.632Z

The three most logical explanations are:

(i) he is a pathological liar;
(ii) he has lost his faculties;
(ii) he is ashamed his father was born in the USA.

They are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

westaussie · 2019-04-22T20:57:15.225Z

Did I say he wrote the report?

Piper · 2019-04-22T20:58:06.418Z

westaussie:

Did I say he wrote the report?

I haven’t read the report. Is is hard to understand?

westaussie · 2019-04-22T20:59:49.900Z

Try again.

theduke · 2019-04-22T21:02:26.364Z

westaussie:

The three most logical explanations are:

(i) he is a pathological liar;
(ii) he has lost his faculties;
(ii) he is ashamed his father was born in the USA.

They are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

i and ii in combination are most likely.

westaussie · 2019-04-22T21:04:34.713Z

There certainly appears to be evidence of the first two.

Tangible08 · 2019-04-22T22:02:01.462Z

President Trump may have the constitutional authority to fire investigators, however, congress has the power to impeach him for abuse of power. Given that the DOJ is run by someone hand picked by him, he’d never be charged with obstruction of justice even if that’s what Mueller concluded.

Tangible08 · 2019-04-22T22:05:20.064Z

I mean, I guess if you define obstruction of justice in a way in which it is impossible for a president to obstruct justice, then it’s basically a circular argument. However, there is no way that you can say the president didn’t obstruct justice or at least attempt to obstruct justice that would be applicable in any situation outside of the presidency.

DougBH · 2019-04-22T23:13:35.930Z

westaussie:

I am referring to the press conference he gave on the day the Mueller report (redacted version) was released. Why would Barr hold the press conference that day prior to the release of the report?

I am not sure why you mentioned about the redactions as I made no comment about what the redactions were nor who made them.

Because the report could not be made public until the DOJ made redactions. That took a couple of weeks. The redactions were made by the DOJ, not Mueller and it took a couple of weeks to make them. Mueller didn’t have to make the redactions because he was not making the report public, he was making it to Barr.

theduke · 2019-04-23T00:07:18.265Z

Tilly_jow:

The case for impeachment is picking up speed

Um…they won the White House and kept Congress.

The case for impeachment is picking up speed

They won the White House and the House, and later took back the Senate

They got nothing done the rest of Clinton’s presidency.

The 2000 election was more about Clinton’s personal failing and Gore’s campaign.

Ever think how thing would have change if Clinton had resigned (given a possibility of conviction).

Al Gore goes in as an incumbent president. He has a much stronger presences campaigning. He lacks the Clinton baggage. He’s elected president.

Now, all the same happens if the republicans get smart, decide to dump the Trump, convict, and go with Pence in 2020.

DougBH · 2019-04-23T00:08:54.799Z

Beware of Greeks…

theduke · 2019-04-23T00:14:33.101Z

The interesting scenario is if the republicans offer to suddenly support impeachment, do the dem go with it knowing it put Pence in such a strong position.

Kelby · 2019-04-23T00:45:04.311Z

Jamerican:

AS much as it pains me to say this, I don’t think impeachment is the answer. All it would do is further embolden is flock especially if impeachment charges is not successful. I prefer the decision be left up to the people. My hope is a decent fair minded republican would run against him and a fair minded democrat in the general.

This country needs balance and should stay balanced, we cannot fall into the trap in going too far right or too far left. Both would be yield horrible results.

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AS much as it pains me to say this, I don’t think impeachment is the answer. All it would do is further embolden is flock especially if impeachment charges is not successful. I prefer the decision be left up to the people. My hope is a decent fair minded republican would run against him and a fair minded democrat in the general.

This country needs balance and should stay balanced, we cannot fall into the trap in going too far right or too far left. Both would be yield horrible results.
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Agree,

Creating another issue for Trump to counterpunch is fodder for his base and might confuse some independents when it fails…because the senate pubs won’t follow through.

Vote him out.

westaussie · 2019-04-23T04:11:01.698Z

I did not comment on the period between Barr receiving the report leading up to the day prior to the release of the report to the public. Neither did I comment on the redactions contained therein.

What I specifically spoke to was why on the day the report was made public did Barr choose to hold a press conference about the Mueller report prior to the release of the report rather than have the press conference a few hours after the release of the report.

Surely by holding the press conference a few hours after the report was released to the public it would have allowed the journalists to ask more informed questions about the portion of the report that was not redacted.

johnrandolph · 2019-04-23T10:02:54.448Z

Go for it. I double dog dare you.

swriddle · 2019-04-23T11:02:47.701Z

Word of advice for both parties from a American who loves his country but hates the government and favors neither party.
Republicans make sure your ducks are in a row to counter the impeachment of pumpkin head.
Democrats you better be a hundred percent sure you can make it stick, also get it on the table quick before Mueller’s report starts to lose its bite, if you don’t you’ll hand carrot top the 2020 election and he’ll proceed trying to destroy your party with nothing to lose not being able to be elected again.

Jamerican · 2019-04-23T11:24:28.793Z

I said it before in this thread that I believe impeachment is a dangerous thing to do politically and I much rather see 45 voted out. I get it though if impeachment is considered.

I listened to an old testimony by Larry Hogan SR(father of my current Governor, former resident/County Executive of the county I currently reside, and former US Rep for Maryland) as it relates to Richard Nixon and it’s telling. His message to his fellow republicans is a message that need to be listened to today. We all know that 45 wasn’t charged…fine, however his intent and seeking to do wrong displays his lack of a moral compass, lack of character, lack of integrity and willing to do whatever it takes to get what he want. It is disturbing and dangerous to our country. This current GOP and them clowns in both houses on Capital Hill have put party and politics over country. I still don’t agree with impeachment, but I agree with history and with this president it’s repeating itself. I don’t want hear, “but Obama and/or Hillary…blah, blah, blah”, ■■■■ them(Lord please forgive my language), they are no longer relevant. This is about the here, the now and the present condition of our country. To hell with, “my team vs. your team”, politics…someone need to step up and speak out and do something, we all do. If not by impeachment then do it by using the ballot. God Bless America!

Piper · 2019-04-23T11:31:43.600Z

DougBH:

Because the report could not be made public until the DOJ made redactions. That took a couple of weeks. The redactions were made by the DOJ, not Mueller and it took a couple of weeks to make them. Mueller didn’t have to make the redactions because he was not making the report public, he was making it to Barr.

I got that wrong.