Impeach trump now

Piper · 2019-04-22T20:39:15.153Z

Phaedrus:

Given his obvious bias for Trump, evidenced by the disconnect between Barr’s summary and public statements regarding the report, and what’s in the report itself, forgive me if I’m leery of Barr “quoting” Mueller on anything.

As I said, the roadmap and justification for pursuing obstruction charges against Trump himself is clearly laid out in the report. You’re certainly free to pretend that it isn’t.

Do you like CNN’s legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin’s take on Obstruction of Justice in the Mueller report?

He said: “What’s significant about the 10 incidences is that there are 10 of them and they all point in the same direction. And in each individual incident is perhaps an innocent explanation.”

Greg Gutfeld’s take on Jeffrey Toobin’s take:

“Each one on its own means nothing. But if you add them all up, they mean something. No, you are a moron. If each one is a ZERO, 10 of them equals ZERO.”

westaussie · 2019-04-22T20:39:32.839Z

I fully acknowledge that someone can make a slip of the tongue. For example, saying Austria instead of Australia. In the second link Donald Trump says both his parents were born in an EU sector. His mum in Scotland and his dad in Germany. That is not a slip of the tongue.

I readily admit that Donald Trump didn’t know that Scotland had voted to stay in EU when made the claim that Scotland had voted to leave the EU.

westaussie · 2019-04-22T20:42:15.790Z

Why did Barr not release the report and then a few hours later make himself available to journalists to answer questions about the actual content of the report?

DougBH · 2019-04-22T20:45:45.519Z

westaussie:

Why did Barr not release the report and then a few hours later make himself available to journalists to answer questions about the actual content of the report?

Because the media and the public were waiting for any information about the report. It would (and did) take a couple of weeks to have DOJ professionals go through the report and make redactions…and no, Barr had others decide which parts should be redacted for security and legal reasons.

Piper · 2019-04-22T20:50:01.589Z

westaussie:

Why did Barr not release the report and then a few hours later make himself available to journalists to answer questions about the actual content of the report?

Barr didn’t write the report.

Piper · 2019-04-22T20:51:35.111Z

westaussie:

What possible reason is there that he doesn’t want to admit that his father was born in the USA? Why would be lie over something that is so easily debunked?

Aggravate the media?

Jamerican · 2019-04-22T20:51:47.801Z

AS much as it pains me to say this, I don’t think impeachment is the answer. All it would do is further embolden is flock especially if impeachment charges is not successful. I prefer the decision be left up to the people. My hope is a decent fair minded republican would run against him and a fair minded democrat in the general.

This country needs balance and should stay balanced, we cannot fall into the trap in going too far right or too far left. Both would yield horrible results.

westaussie · 2019-04-22T20:53:25.516Z

I am referring to the press conference he gave on the day the Mueller report (redacted version) was released. Why would Barr hold the press conference that day prior to the release of the report?

I am not sure why you mentioned about the redactions as I made no comment about what the redactions were nor who made them.

westaussie · 2019-04-22T20:56:41.632Z

The three most logical explanations are:

(i) he is a pathological liar;
(ii) he has lost his faculties;
(ii) he is ashamed his father was born in the USA.

They are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

westaussie · 2019-04-22T20:57:15.225Z

Did I say he wrote the report?

Piper · 2019-04-22T20:58:06.418Z

westaussie:

Did I say he wrote the report?

I haven’t read the report. Is is hard to understand?

westaussie · 2019-04-22T20:59:49.900Z

Try again.

theduke · 2019-04-22T21:02:26.364Z

westaussie:

The three most logical explanations are:

(i) he is a pathological liar;
(ii) he has lost his faculties;
(ii) he is ashamed his father was born in the USA.

They are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

i and ii in combination are most likely.

westaussie · 2019-04-22T21:04:34.713Z

There certainly appears to be evidence of the first two.

Tangible08 · 2019-04-22T22:02:01.462Z

President Trump may have the constitutional authority to fire investigators, however, congress has the power to impeach him for abuse of power. Given that the DOJ is run by someone hand picked by him, he’d never be charged with obstruction of justice even if that’s what Mueller concluded.

Tangible08 · 2019-04-22T22:05:20.064Z

I mean, I guess if you define obstruction of justice in a way in which it is impossible for a president to obstruct justice, then it’s basically a circular argument. However, there is no way that you can say the president didn’t obstruct justice or at least attempt to obstruct justice that would be applicable in any situation outside of the presidency.

DougBH · 2019-04-22T23:13:35.930Z

westaussie:

I am referring to the press conference he gave on the day the Mueller report (redacted version) was released. Why would Barr hold the press conference that day prior to the release of the report?

I am not sure why you mentioned about the redactions as I made no comment about what the redactions were nor who made them.

Because the report could not be made public until the DOJ made redactions. That took a couple of weeks. The redactions were made by the DOJ, not Mueller and it took a couple of weeks to make them. Mueller didn’t have to make the redactions because he was not making the report public, he was making it to Barr.

theduke · 2019-04-23T00:07:18.265Z

Tilly_jow:

The case for impeachment is picking up speed

Um…they won the White House and kept Congress.

The case for impeachment is picking up speed

They won the White House and the House, and later took back the Senate

They got nothing done the rest of Clinton’s presidency.

The 2000 election was more about Clinton’s personal failing and Gore’s campaign.

Ever think how thing would have change if Clinton had resigned (given a possibility of conviction).

Al Gore goes in as an incumbent president. He has a much stronger presences campaigning. He lacks the Clinton baggage. He’s elected president.

Now, all the same happens if the republicans get smart, decide to dump the Trump, convict, and go with Pence in 2020.

DougBH · 2019-04-23T00:08:54.799Z

Beware of Greeks…

theduke · 2019-04-23T00:14:33.101Z

The interesting scenario is if the republicans offer to suddenly support impeachment, do the dem go with it knowing it put Pence in such a strong position.