I'm really hope Trump pardon Snowden

[WuWei]

Good post. I don’t know that I agree 100%, I probably do. Well said.

[WuWei]

@JayJay

I’m not making any excuses.

I’m stating what is.

It is a rationalization.

[JayJay]

That’s realism.

It’s the nature of a world power to have relatively unchecked government agencies.

It’s the nature of the beast.

You can choose to uphold the idealistic standards of the Republic…there WILL be a trade off to doing so.

A trade off most people won’t accept.

[7ranz]

@TommyLucchese

@7ranz

He doesn’t expect one. He has spent his time asking for a one for Manning, which she got, and Assange.

Assange can kick rocks.

My man Danny has this one too:

Vietnam war leaker Daniel Ellsberg warns against extraditing Julian Assange

[7ranz]

@JayJay

That’s realism.

It’s the nature of a world power to have relatively unchecked government agencies.

It’s the nature of the beast.

You can choose to uphold the idealistic standards of the Republic…there WILL be a trade off to doing so.

A trade off most people won’t accept.

You’re allowed to yell at them. They won’t put in jail for it. Well…most of the time.

[conan]

@7ranz

They won’t put in jail for it.

Yet.

[JayJay]

@7ranz

@JayJay

That’s realism.

It’s the nature of a world power to have relatively unchecked government agencies.

It’s the nature of the beast.

You can choose to uphold the idealistic standards of the Republic…there WILL be a trade off to doing so.

A trade off most people won’t accept.

You’re allowed to yell at them. They won’t put in jail for it. Well…most of the time.

Well, yes this is true.

I’m not advocating for one position or another, by the way. I’d like my relatively unchecked government agencies to be as checked as possible.

I simply don’t deny that taking meaningful moral stances in the real world come with real world costs.

If they don’t come with a cost…then you can be pretty sure you’re not making a meaningful moral stance.

[conan]

So you’re admitting that government is forcing it’s morals.

Who’s morals?

@JayJay

I simply don’t deny that taking meaningful moral stances in the real world come with real world costs.

[7ranz]

@JayJay

@7ranz

@JayJay

That’s realism.

It’s the nature of a world power to have relatively unchecked government agencies.

It’s the nature of the beast.

You can choose to uphold the idealistic standards of the Republic…there WILL be a trade off to doing so.

A trade off most people won’t accept.

You’re allowed to yell at them. They won’t put in jail for it. Well…most of the time.

Well, yes this is true.

I’m not advocating for one position or another, by the way. I’d like my relatively unchecked government agencies to be as checked as possible.

I simply don’t deny that taking meaningful moral stances in the real world come with real world costs.

If they don’t come with a cost…then you can be pretty sure you’re not making a meaningful moral stance.

You’re the check.

[JayJay]

@7ranz

@JayJay

@7ranz

@JayJay

That’s realism.

It’s the nature of a world power to have relatively unchecked government agencies.

It’s the nature of the beast.

You can choose to uphold the idealistic standards of the Republic…there WILL be a trade off to doing so.

A trade off most people won’t accept.

You’re allowed to yell at them. They won’t put in jail for it. Well…most of the time.

Well, yes this is true.

I’m not advocating for one position or another, by the way. I’d like my relatively unchecked government agencies to be as checked as possible.

I simply don’t deny that taking meaningful moral stances in the real world come with real world costs.

If they don’t come with a cost…then you can be pretty sure you’re not making a meaningful moral stance.

You’re the check.

I know I am.

I also know the costs of being a world power means there will be government agencies doing nefarious things that I have to check.

I’m conflicted as hell on Snowden…same reason others are.

He was right to reveal the excesses of the NSA and other agencies,

He also revealed many military and intelligence tactics that potentially weakened us as a world power, and I like the US being a world power.

I do not believe he needed to do the latter to reveal the former.

[7ranz]

@JayJay

@7ranz

@JayJay

@7ranz

@JayJay

That’s realism.

It’s the nature of a world power to have relatively unchecked government agencies.

It’s the nature of the beast.

You can choose to uphold the idealistic standards of the Republic…there WILL be a trade off to doing so.

A trade off most people won’t accept.

You’re allowed to yell at them. They won’t put in jail for it. Well…most of the time.

Well, yes this is true.

I’m not advocating for one position or another, by the way. I’d like my relatively unchecked government agencies to be as checked as possible.

I simply don’t deny that taking meaningful moral stances in the real world come with real world costs.

If they don’t come with a cost…then you can be pretty sure you’re not making a meaningful moral stance.

You’re the check.

I know I am.

I also know the costs of being a world power means there will be government agencies doing nefarious things that I have to check.

I’m conflicted as hell on Snowden…same reason others are.

He was right to reveal the excesses of the NSA and other agencies,

He also revealed many military and intelligence tactics that potentially weakened us as a world power, and I like the US being a world power.

I do not believe he needed to do the latter to reveal the former.

All our military does is evil. That should make your choice easier for you.

The US doesn’t need to be a world power.

[conan]

And that’s fair assessment…but that doesn’t change the fact that our government lied/spied on American people and then tried to cover it up.

If it weren’t for Snowden…we wouldn’t have been any wiser.

[7ranz]

@conan

And that’s fair assessment…but that doesn’t change the fact that our government lied/spied on American people and then tried to cover it up.

If it weren’t for Snowden…we wouldn’t have been any wiser.

They did do that.

[WildRose]

If you think they are going to go into details about exactly how he damaged our intel operations around the world you don’t understand the first thing about Intelligence.

Hint, you’d have to expose entire networks of agents and sources around the world and go into detail about how many of them ended up dead or in prison.

The details of the damage are irrelevant, we’re not talking about civil court where you do, this is purely criminal and all that needs to be proven is that he was the hacker/leaker.

[WildRose]

They are among the most serious federal crimes that can be committed, damned right it’s worth condemning him for.

[WildRose]

What the hell? Seriously? This country could not exist without them to defend it. How exactly is that evil?

[WildRose]

We’ve put a large number of both military and intel/ops people in prison for violations of the law over the years.

Some of the most famous/infamous federal cases in US history involved same.

[Paul_Thomson]

@WildRose

That would be a horrible precedent.

Why a horrible precedent? Hasn’t the precedent already been set? Whistle-blowing to expose state corruption is a protected activity. Now if he had been lying, that would be a different story.

[WildRose]

This wasn’t “whistleblowing” it was treason.

[Paul_Thomson]

@WildRose

This wasn’t “whistleblowing” it was treason.

Which foreign enemy was Snowden colluding with?