I'm OK with Keeping All Public Schools Closed Permanetly

[westaussie]

What a shocking world we would have if everyone was treated with empathy, kindness and compassion.

[westaussie]

Is the reason “leftists” understand the benefit of education for all?

[westaussie]

Such as quality education for all? Next one might want universal health care for all.

[RTchoke]

@fallenturtle

@Rodeo

Of course some schools, maybe many are open. Many more are not. I don’t consider a kid sitting at his or her laptop at The kitchen table being in school.

Why doesn’t that count as school? They have teachers, they participate in class, they do assignments. In person learning is definitely vastly superior, but to say they aren’t really in school is a massive understatement.

Over half of US students have returned to in person learning:

Last week, 16.3% of K-12 students attended schools that offered only virtual learning, down from 18.1% the week prior, while 30.6% of K-12 students attended hybrid schools, down from 30.7% the week prior, according to Burbio, an organization that monitors 1,200 school districts, including the 200 largest districts in the country. Students attending traditional, in-person school five days a week increased to 53.1% last week, up from 51.2% the week prior.

source: https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-03-29/percentage-of-students-learning-in-remote-or-hybrid-classes-drops-amid-reopenings

I had many students last school year who never attended even ONE zoom learning session. Not ONE. I am not alone in this. And no, you could no nothing about it. They still got moved forward.

To compare distance learning with in class learning is not comparing apples to apples. Not at all.

[Rodeo]

@RTchoke

I had many students last school year who never attended even ONE zoom learning session. Not ONE. I am not alone in this. And no, you could no nothing about it. They still got moved forward.

To compare distance learning with in class learning is not comparing apples to apples. Not at all.

Thank you.

[Borgia_dude]

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

Don’t forget that they are also draining funds from the public school, leaving it with less funding than it enjoys today.

With fewer students.

And far less funding. Some expenses are not easily proportional to the number of students.

The “funding” is directly proportional to the decrease in students.

Are we still talking about Guvnuh’s plan, cause it isn’t.

[fallenturtle]

@RTchoke

@fallenturtle

@Rodeo

Of course some schools, maybe many are open. Many more are not. I don’t consider a kid sitting at his or her laptop at The kitchen table being in school.

Why doesn’t that count as school? They have teachers, they participate in class, they do assignments. In person learning is definitely vastly superior, but to say they aren’t really in school is a massive understatement.

Over half of US students have returned to in person learning:

Last week, 16.3% of K-12 students attended schools that offered only virtual learning, down from 18.1% the week prior, while 30.6% of K-12 students attended hybrid schools, down from 30.7% the week prior, according to Burbio, an organization that monitors 1,200 school districts, including the 200 largest districts in the country. Students attending traditional, in-person school five days a week increased to 53.1% last week, up from 51.2% the week prior.

source: https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-03-29/percentage-of-students-learning-in-remote-or-hybrid-classes-drops-amid-reopenings

I had many students last school year who never attended even ONE zoom learning session. Not ONE. I am not alone in this. And no, you could no nothing about it. They still got moved forward.

To compare distance learning with in class learning is not comparing apples to apples. Not at all.

I realize, such things happened everywhere, but just because some students didn’t attend classes doesn’t mean those who did aren’t in school.

[RTchoke]

@fallenturtle

@RTchoke

@fallenturtle

@Rodeo

Of course some schools, maybe many are open. Many more are not. I don’t consider a kid sitting at his or her laptop at The kitchen table being in school.

Why doesn’t that count as school? They have teachers, they participate in class, they do assignments. In person learning is definitely vastly superior, but to say they aren’t really in school is a massive understatement.

Over half of US students have returned to in person learning:

Last week, 16.3% of K-12 students attended schools that offered only virtual learning, down from 18.1% the week prior, while 30.6% of K-12 students attended hybrid schools, down from 30.7% the week prior, according to Burbio, an organization that monitors 1,200 school districts, including the 200 largest districts in the country. Students attending traditional, in-person school five days a week increased to 53.1% last week, up from 51.2% the week prior.

source: https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-03-29/percentage-of-students-learning-in-remote-or-hybrid-classes-drops-amid-reopenings

I had many students last school year who never attended even ONE zoom learning session. Not ONE. I am not alone in this. And no, you could no nothing about it. They still got moved forward.

To compare distance learning with in class learning is not comparing apples to apples. Not at all.

I realize, such things happened everywhere, but just because some students didn’t attend classes doesn’t mean those who did aren’t in school.

Tell me one school in the entire nation that would allow a student to not attend in person school for an entire quarter and not have any consequences. Online learning has allowed this kind of crap to happen and some people don’t seem to see a problem. Some of these kids are going to have huge gaps in their education and no one cares because they refuse to treat online attendance etc. the same as they would in person school attendance and learning. DO you even realize3 how dumbed down this last year has been i regards to what students are not being required to do/complete? Of course you don’t.

Also, there is a definite difference in online vs in person in regards to teaching. Anyone who has had to do online will tell you it sucks. The curriculum is harder to get through, there is no hands on for anything, keeping the attention of students is damn near impossible… it is not a reliable nor long term replacement for in person learning.

But don’t worry, little Johnny’s teacher can still “teach” while on vacation in the Bahamas because that’s somehow OK, because expecting them to teach in person is a death sentence and the teachers and unions can’t have that.

[Steel-W0LF]

@PeterGriffin

@WuWei

What part are you having trouble with?

Let’s use an example that Republicans can relate to.

When a military base is threatened with closing, what is the main argument that Republicans use to justify keeping it open?

The economy of the area and how the whole area is dependent on the money that flows from the government to the areas business to its residents.

Apparently only military spending can have this effect if you’re a Republican, but it works pretty much across the board.

Terrible example.

If a military base closes an area is losing thousands, to tens of thousand residents in that area. It has nothing to do with some mystical multiplier.

It’s the exact same as when auto makers closed down in the rust belt. It’s a huge influx of money to a region going away that does the damage. The source of that money is almost irrelevant.

The difference with government money is it’s taken from someone else with little of tangible value exchanged for most of that collection of money.

For things like the military, roads and infrastructure, and even education like is the topic of the thread you can make the claim that the tax payer does receive some value in return. But that’s not true for a lot of govt spending.

[JayJay]

@Ceasar

@johnrandolph

@Ceasar

I HOPE we do. Just close them all & make them private with no Unions. No critical race theory, no indoctrination into socialism, no leftist insanity, no teaching protesting & creating little social justice warriors & BLM or ANTIFA activists, just education.

Cons and libertarians have railed against public education forever. So who are screaming loudest for getting them reopened? Cons and to a lesser extent libertarians. This should be the golden age for home schooling and private small scale education.

I have never been a fan of public education. I believe most cons would be glad to privatize all schools, the left would scream from the rooftops though.

Not the left.

Students aren’t widgets.

And completely privatizing education would leave millions of students behind.

[WuWei]

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

Don’t forget that they are also draining funds from the public school, leaving it with less funding than it enjoys today.

With fewer students.

And far less funding. Some expenses are not easily proportional to the number of students.

The “funding” is directly proportional to the decrease in students.

Are we still talking about Guvnuh’s plan, cause it isn’t.

Yes it is.

[Borgia_dude]

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

Don’t forget that they are also draining funds from the public school, leaving it with less funding than it enjoys today.

With fewer students.

And far less funding. Some expenses are not easily proportional to the number of students.

The “funding” is directly proportional to the decrease in students.

Are we still talking about Guvnuh’s plan, cause it isn’t.

Yes it is.

Two kids, each have $1000 in taxes associated with them. One goes to the public school, one goes to a private school. Currently $2000 goes towards their local public school.

Guvnuh’s plan uses vouchers where half would still go to the public school if you go to a private school. So the two student keep going to their respective schools. Under this voucher system, the private school gets $500 and the public school gets $1500.

The public school was getting $2000, now they are getting $1500.

$1500<$2000 right?

[WorldWatcher]

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

Don’t forget that they are also draining funds from the public school, leaving it with less funding than it enjoys today.

With fewer students.

And far less funding. Some expenses are not easily proportional to the number of students.

The “funding” is directly proportional to the decrease in students.

Are we still talking about Guvnuh’s plan, cause it isn’t.

Yes it is.

Two kids, each have $1000 in taxes associated with them. One goes to the public school, one goes to a private school. Currently $2000 goes towards their local public school.

Guvnuh’s plan uses vouchers where half would still go to the public school if you go to a private school. So the two student keep going to their respective schools. Under this voucher system, the private school gets $500 and the public school gets $1500.

The public school was getting $2000, now they are getting $1500.

$1500<$2000 right?

Under the original plan:
Public School gets $1000 per student.

Under Guvnuh’s proposal:
Public School gets $1500 per student.
Private School gets $500 per student.
.
.
.
$1500 per student > $500 per student, right?

WW

[Guvnah]

@WorldWatcher

$1500 per student > $500 per student, right?

1500 per student > 1000 per student.

Borgia is pointing out that the net per school district is less, and that’s true too.

It’s the wonderful thing about data analysis. You can make it say whatever you want.

[Borgia_dude]

@WorldWatcher

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

Don’t forget that they are also draining funds from the public school, leaving it with less funding than it enjoys today.

With fewer students.

And far less funding. Some expenses are not easily proportional to the number of students.

The “funding” is directly proportional to the decrease in students.

Are we still talking about Guvnuh’s plan, cause it isn’t.

Yes it is.

Two kids, each have $1000 in taxes associated with them. One goes to the public school, one goes to a private school. Currently $2000 goes towards their local public school.

Guvnuh’s plan uses vouchers where half would still go to the public school if you go to a private school. So the two student keep going to their respective schools. Under this voucher system, the private school gets $500 and the public school gets $1500.

The public school was getting $2000, now they are getting $1500.

$1500<$2000 right?

Under the original plan:
Public School gets $1000 per student.

Under Guvnuh’s proposal:
Public School gets $1500 per student.
Private School gets $500 per student.
.
.
.
$1500 per student > $500 per student, right?

WW

And what is your point? The bottom line in this scenario is that the public school was getting $2000 but under this voucher system they get $1500 without any change in schools.

[WuWei]

And one whole student less. $500 profit

[WorldWatcher]

@Borgia_dude

@WorldWatcher

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

Don’t forget that they are also draining funds from the public school, leaving it with less funding than it enjoys today.

With fewer students.

And far less funding. Some expenses are not easily proportional to the number of students.

The “funding” is directly proportional to the decrease in students.

Are we still talking about Guvnuh’s plan, cause it isn’t.

Yes it is.

Two kids, each have $1000 in taxes associated with them. One goes to the public school, one goes to a private school. Currently $2000 goes towards their local public school.

Guvnuh’s plan uses vouchers where half would still go to the public school if you go to a private school. So the two student keep going to their respective schools. Under this voucher system, the private school gets $500 and the public school gets $1500.

The public school was getting $2000, now they are getting $1500.

$1500<$2000 right?

Under the original plan:
Public School gets $1000 per student.

Under Guvnuh’s proposal:
Public School gets $1500 per student.
Private School gets $500 per student.
.
.
.
$1500 per student > $500 per student, right?

WW

And what is your point? The bottom line in this scenario is that the public school was getting $2000 but under this voucher system they get $1500 without any change in schools.

The last part is incorrect. There are changes in the schools. There would be fewer students.

WW

[Borgia_dude]

@WuWei

And one whole student less. $500 profit

No, read my scenario again.

[WuWei]

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

And one whole student less. $500 profit

No, read my scenario again.

No. I read it once. You don’t get the voucher and keep going to the same school.

[Borgia_dude]

@WorldWatcher

@Borgia_dude

@WorldWatcher

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

Don’t forget that they are also draining funds from the public school, leaving it with less funding than it enjoys today.

With fewer students.

And far less funding. Some expenses are not easily proportional to the number of students.

The “funding” is directly proportional to the decrease in students.

Are we still talking about Guvnuh’s plan, cause it isn’t.

Yes it is.

Two kids, each have $1000 in taxes associated with them. One goes to the public school, one goes to a private school. Currently $2000 goes towards their local public school.

Guvnuh’s plan uses vouchers where half would still go to the public school if you go to a private school. So the two student keep going to their respective schools. Under this voucher system, the private school gets $500 and the public school gets $1500.

The public school was getting $2000, now they are getting $1500.

$1500<$2000 right?

Under the original plan:
Public School gets $1000 per student.

Under Guvnuh’s proposal:
Public School gets $1500 per student.
Private School gets $500 per student.
.
.
.
$1500 per student > $500 per student, right?

WW

And what is your point? The bottom line in this scenario is that the public school was getting $2000 but under this voucher system they get $1500 without any change in schools.

The last part is incorrect. There are changes in the schools. There would be fewer students.

WW

Read it again. My scenario starts under the current system where 1 student goes to the public school and 1 student goes to a private school. Again, this is under the current system with no vouchers. The public school gets $2000, right?

Next year they implement the voucher system. The two students decide to stay in their respective schools, with the private staying private and the public staying public. Now the public school gets $1500 and enrollment has not changed at all.