I'm OK with Keeping All Public Schools Closed Permanetly

[Rodeo]

@Ceasar

School choice get a voucher to go to any school you like.

I just googled “cost per student…over $22,000 a student in New York, Utah was the lowest $6900+. I m sure those #’s are low the first year that came up was 2016.

Whatever we do, reopen schools, make them all private…whatever we need our kids back in school. What we are doing now is child abuse. If randi weingarten’s Union doesn’t want to go back to work then fire their asses and hire some people who want to work.

There’s no reason for our kids to still be starring at screens.

[Borgia_dude]

@Ceasar

@westaussie

Would that mean that a student in the lowest socio-economic group would receive a voucher that would allow the student to attend the most exclusive private school?

Each voucher would be what is presently paid now for each district per student.

Can private schools charge whatever they want?

[party-free]

@Rodeo

and hire some people who want to work.

Many places literally can’t find qualified teachers to fill spots. It’s not like there is a backlog on unemployed teachers chomping at the bit for jobs. It’s often thankless, and pays dismally compared to other professions.

[Ceasar]

@biggestal99

@WuWei

Only if they have enough money to pay double.

It is exactly like how do you get from point a to point b.

If you are poor you take public transportation that is tax payer subsidized.

If you have a little money you drive your private vehicle on tax payer subsided roads.

If you are rich you take a private helicopter and bypass the tax payer subsidies completely.

Same with schools.

Allan

No, you aren’t getting it, Take the schools as they are, privatize them, let them keep the buses, etc. Let a private company buy it all & run them with payment by vouchers. Someone will want to do it. Everything does not have to be subsidized in spite of what the left dreams about.

[Ceasar]

@zantax

@WuWei

@zantax

Umm, you just admitted you do get something in return, higher property values.

Which are then taxed at a higher rate.

Don’t look at me, property taxes wouldn’t exist if it were up to me. What a racket, have to pay the government rent on property I “own”.

I agree. Collect the tax another way, fund all the same things with a sales tax or something else.

[BigDrew]

@Rodeo

Whatever we do, reopen schools, make them all private…whatever we need our kids back in school. What we are doing now is child abuse. If randi weingarten’s Union doesn’t want to go back to work then fire their asses and hire some people who want to work.

There’s no reason for our kids to still be starring at screens.

I really don’t get this RW talking point that schools are closed and teachers aren’t working. I’m in Utah and our schools have been open since August, with the exception of the Salt Lake School District, which did reopen in January. Students have had the option of being in-person or continuing distance learning from home, so teachers have had to adapt lesson plans and presentations to accommodate both groups. It hasn’t been a vacation by any stretch of the imagination.

[fallenturtle]

@BigDrew

@Rodeo

Whatever we do, reopen schools, make them all private…whatever we need our kids back in school. What we are doing now is child abuse. If randi weingarten’s Union doesn’t want to go back to work then fire their asses and hire some people who want to work.

There’s no reason for our kids to still be starring at screens.

I really don’t get this RW talking point that schools are closed and teachers aren’t working. I’m in Utah and our schools have been open since August, with the exception of the Salt Lake School District, which did reopen in January. Students have had the option of being in-person or continuing distance learning from home, so teachers have had to adapt lesson plans and presentations to accommodate both groups. It hasn’t been a vacation by any stretch of the imagination.

I had wondered that, as far as I know all public schools have been in operation this whole school year, though a lot of via distance learning.

The talking point I don’t get is that most of the things the OP complained about with public education aren’t actually happening.

[Guvnah]

@Borgia_dude

@Ceasar

Each voucher would be what is presently paid now for each district per student.

Can private schools charge whatever they want?

Apples and oranges.

Ceasar’s suggestion was to make a voucher worth whatever current governmental financing per student pays in the public schools. Parents would therefore have that much covered for them at whatever school they chose. If their chosen school costs more, they would have to cough up the rest. (And I would say that the parents could not pocket the difference if their chosen school costs less.)

[Guvnah]

@party-free

Many places literally can’t find qualified teachers to fill spots. It’s not like there is a backlog on unemployed teachers chomping at the bit for jobs. It’s often thankless, and pays dismally compared to other professions.

Agreed.

Perhaps the suggestion in this thread would shake up that paradigm.

[Rodeo]

@BigDrew

I really don’t get this RW talking point that schools are closed and teachers aren’t working. I’m in Utah and our schools have been open since August, with the exception of the Salt Lake School District, which did reopen in January. Students have had the option of being in-person or continuing distance learning from home, so teachers have had to adapt lesson plans and presentations to accommodate both groups. It hasn’t been a vacation by any stretch of the imagination.

Of course some schools, maybe many are open. Many more are not. I don’t consider a kid sitting at his or her laptop at The kitchen table being in school.

My point is that every school in America should be open fully. In person in class stop screwing around.

No more if this teachers Union being quoted in cdc guidelines garbage either. Where kids are not physically in school that needs to change. It’s probably too late for this year but in late August or September our educational system needs to get back to normal. A lot of our kids have missed a massive amount of school time and it’s going to take work to get them caught up.

[Borgia_dude]

@Guvnah

@Borgia_dude

@Ceasar

Each voucher would be what is presently paid now for each district per student.

Can private schools charge whatever they want?

Apples and oranges.

Ceasar’s suggestion was to make a voucher worth whatever current governmental financing per student pays in the public schools. Parents would therefore have that much covered for them at whatever school they chose. If their chosen school costs more, they would have to cough up the rest. (And I would say that the parents could not pocket the difference if their chosen school costs less.)

Well, that’s where I was heading with my query. If private schools can charge whatever they want, it is quite likely they will charge more than the voucher, especially if they are an in-demand quality school. So those that can’t afford the up charge, are stuck at the lesser schools.

[Guvnah]

@Borgia_dude

So those that can’t afford the up charge, are stuck at the lesser schools.

It’s that way now – they’re stuck at the government schools.

[BigDrew]

@Rodeo

Where kids are not physically in school that needs to change. It’s probably too late for this year but in late August or September our educational system needs to get back to normal. A lot of our kids have missed a massive amount of school time and it’s going to take work to get them caught up.

I do agree 100% with the bolded part of the quote–I have attempted time after time after time to contact distance learners who have literally done nothing all year. I do hesitate to say that a lot of my students have missed a massive amount of school time–I’d estimate that approximately 20% of my students were distance learners at one point or another this year, and maybe 30-50% of that 20% have done little to nothing. So, at least in my case, it’s subjective.
As for the first part of the quote, as far as I know, at least in Utah, the plan is to go back to normal in the fall. Governor Cox has even dropped the mask mandate for the last week of school this year!

[fallenturtle]

@Rodeo

Of course some schools, maybe many are open. Many more are not. I don’t consider a kid sitting at his or her laptop at The kitchen table being in school.

Why doesn’t that count as school? They have teachers, they participate in class, they do assignments. In person learning is definitely vastly superior, but to say they aren’t really in school is a massive understatement.

Over half of US students have returned to in person learning:

Last week, 16.3% of K-12 students attended schools that offered only virtual learning, down from 18.1% the week prior, while 30.6% of K-12 students attended hybrid schools, down from 30.7% the week prior, according to Burbio, an organization that monitors 1,200 school districts, including the 200 largest districts in the country. Students attending traditional, in-person school five days a week increased to 53.1% last week, up from 51.2% the week prior.

source: https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-03-29/percentage-of-students-learning-in-remote-or-hybrid-classes-drops-amid-reopenings

[Borgia_dude]

@Guvnah

@Borgia_dude

So those that can’t afford the up charge, are stuck at the lesser schools.

It’s that way now – they’re stuck at the government schools.

Well, some govt schools. Many govt schools are quite good.

[Guvnah]

My thoughts on vouchers would be this:

Rather than give 100% of public school funding as a voucher to be used at any school, they should make the voucher be worth 50% of a fully-funded public school student. The public system would keep the other half. This would draw some students out of the government system and into private school. That would leave the other 50% to be spent on fewer public school students. 100% for all students who stay in the system, plus the additional 50% shares rolled back into the public system. More money would improve the public system (or at least that’s the thinking there). Win-win for all students. If the extra money-per-student still doesn’t fix the public system, then even more parents will use vouchers to put their kids in private schools, thus increasing the pool of money per student in the public system. Eventually some level of performance satisfaction would occur.

[fallenturtle]

Would private schools that accept vouchers be required to run as non-profits?

[biggestal99]

@Ceasar

No, you aren’t getting it, Take the schools as they are, privatize them, let them keep the buses, etc. Let a private company buy it all & run them with payment by vouchers. Someone will want to do it. Everything does not have to be subsidized in spite of what the left dreams about.

Yes I am getting it.

You want taxpayer money to go to private schools.

And I am against that.

I would be like subsidizing private helicopters.

If someone wants a private helicopter go for it bit I should not be subsidizing them.

Allan

[Munimula1]

@Guvnah

My thoughts on vouchers would be this:

Rather than give 100% of public school funding as a voucher to be used at any school, they should make the voucher be worth 50% of a fully-funded public school student. The public system would keep the other half. This would draw some students out of the government system and into private school. That would leave the other 50% to be spent on fewer public school students. 100% for all students who stay in the system, plus the additional 50% shares rolled back into the public system. More money would improve the public system (or at least that’s the thinking there). Win-win for all students. If the extra money-per-student still doesn’t fix the public system, then even more parents will use vouchers to put their kids in private schools, thus increasing the pool of money per student in the public system. Eventually some level of performance satisfaction would occur.

Here is my treatise on why that would hurt poor students. Some middle- class parents would take that 50% and use it to send their kids to private or parochial schools. The poorer families would still not be able to afford to make the move, so the schools would be drained of go-getters. I think that’s a problem.

Let me explain what I mean by go-getters. Not kids, but parents. When I was getting my graduate degree (Reading Specialist) on the very Upper West SIde of NYC, we learned by offering free reading tutoring to the kids of area residents. The kids who signed up had very dedicated parents- parents who were clued in to available resources, and who had the where-with-all to figure out a way to get their kids to those twice a week lessons at 4 in the afternoon. That is a rare combination.

A private school who took 50% vouchers would drain the schools of parents who are go-getters, and that would be a dreadful problem for local school kids who do not have that advantage.

It would be better to improve public schools for all. After all, the goal is to improve outcomes for all.

[Liberty323]

@BigDrew

@Liberty323

Exactly. The public indoctrination centers aren’t educating them but teaching them to be non-thinking SJW automatons who hate white males.

Yeah, that’s precisely what’s on tap in my classroom today…right after my 8th graders finish reading All Summer In A Day by Ray Bradbury, identify the setting and analyze how it affects the plot, identify the moments of rising action and explain how they move the story to the climax, which they will also identify and describe. Then, they will identify and explain the resolution of the story and predict how it will impact the protagonist and secondary characters. Finally, they will identify the story’s theme and explain how they can connect the story’s theme to an aspect of their personal life.
I swear, just as soon as they are done with that, we will get right onto the white male hatred and socialist indoctrination.

I never said there weren’t exceptions.