I'm a proud extremist

[conan]

I’m not the one being manipulated.

[Guilds]

Appreciate the thoughtful, well written post.

I agree with most of your take on my “goals”.

Where I differ is the idea that we are a more individualist society, and the types of social programs would not work well here, is inaccurate.

There is a bit of a myth that America was founded and advanced due to the “rugged individualist” Americans.

The majority of our progress has been accomplished by Americans working together collectively.
We did not become the top economic nation, and the world’s superpower by us not working together.

I also reject the idea t that our diversity is why we cannot do the things you describe, ie… “light socialism”. We already have some light socialism here, and most of those programs are effective and popular. But we can do better.

I think the biggest divide we currently have is not so much the different tribes not getting along…
I think it boils down to the differences between urban areas and rural areas. And that is a complex situation, that can be difficult to navigate what would work for both groups.

I think if we talked to each other, vs talking at each other, we would be able to find common ground. (much like what you and I are doing).

Then again, if one reads the debates and discussions when we were laying the groundwork of the USA, the main argument was the role of government. 200+ years later…we are still debating that.

[zantax]

Yeah it’s working out great, what’s the national debt and unfunded liability total these days?

[Guilds]

@zantax

Yeah it’s working out great, what’s the national debt and unfunded liability total these days

Brought to you by 40 years of Reaganism.

[conan]

Just can’t take any responsibility can you?

[Guilds]

How am I responsible for Neo-liberal economics embraced by Reagan?

[Samm]

@Guilds

How am I responsible for Neo-liberal economics embraced by Reagan?

You voted for Obama and Biden, didn’t you?

[Guilds]

@Samm

You voted for Obama and Biden, didn’t you?

For the most part, we are still operating under Reagan’s neo-liberal economic policies.

In many ways, Clinton, and Bush 2 made it worse.

[Samm]

@Guilds

@Samm

You voted for Obama and Biden, didn’t you?

For the most part, we are still operating under Reagan’s neo-liberal economic policies.

In many ways, Clinton, and Bush 2 made it worse.

No we’re not.

Obama and Biden made it worse, not Clinton or Bush 2.

[Guilds]

@Samm

No we’re not.

Stay in denial Samm, it is a safe place.

[Samm]

It’s better to deny the myth than live it.

[Guilds]

@Samm

It’s better to deny the myth than live it.

Come back to reality Samm…you are very welcome to join, where the sky is blue, and the water is wet.

[Samm]

Go ahead. Live your myth. It apparently makes you happy, and i’m all for people being happy.

[WuWei]

@Guilds

I think it boils down to the differences between urban areas and rural areas. And that is a complex situation, that can be difficult to navigate what would work for both groups.

I agree.

Then stop trying. Nothing is going to “work for both groups”.

[WuWei]

@Guilds

@zantax

Yeah it’s working out great, what’s the national debt and unfunded liability total these days

Brought to you by 40 years of Reaganism.

@Guilds

I think if we talked to each other, vs talking at each other, we would be able to find common ground. (much like what you and I are doing).

There we go.

[WuWei]

@Guilds

neo-liberal

I’ve seen that word before. Used by communists in LATAM.

[FlameHeart]

Clinton and mortgage amortization? Clinton damaged the housing market.