I'll admit it, I really thought all the widespread voter fraud stuff was just nonsense

WildRose · 2018-08-12T09:04:49.773Z

BlueTex:

Smyrna:

California driver’s license applicants are automatically registered to vote.

This is from Snopes;
The law requires that applicants under the Motor Voter Act attest that they meet all voter registration requirements, but critics maintain that the law “ lacks the necessary safeguards to keep noncitizens off the voter rolls.” Although those critics fear that undocumented residents may slip through the loopholes and becomes registered to vote, it’s not accurate to say that California has made it “legal” for undocumented residents to vote.

Potential voters “have to demonstrate proof of age, the vast majority of time people are showing a birth certificate or a passport, which also reflects citizenship. That’s arguably more secure than someone checking a box under penalty of perjury,” Padilla said.

Why not make that a requirement? If it’s the “vast majority”, that means that it isn’t always…thus…what I said is accurate.

Hmmm… Wonder if you are equally as upset with Texas violating the Motor Act…

5th Circuit temporarily blocks online voter registration for Texas drivers | The Texas Tribune

It’s 2018 and Texas STILL does not have online registration…

Nor should we.

WildRose · 2018-08-12T09:08:36.566Z

Fraud would be far too easy with it.

WildRose · 2018-08-12T09:12:23.846Z

BigBear:

Smyrna:

Yeah…they have to “attest”…so there is that big obstacle blocking their way.

So, is what you wrote accurate? No, it’s not. Are people “registered to vote” automatically by virtue of getting a driver’s license? No, they’re not.

What is “blocking their way” is the normal voter registration process. Nothing different whatsoever, it’s simply an option to apply, and have the application filled out, still requiring the normal process, docs, and subject to normal verification.

So, in the future, if you write: “People in California are registered to vote when they get a driver’s license!” or similar, you’ll be doing what? That’s right, you’ll be lying.

Perhaps you should inform the state.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/california-motor-voter/

WildRose · 2018-08-12T09:13:43.895Z

BlueTex:

Smyrna:

I provide documentation that proves I am a legal resident.

BS… I’ve registered to vote in several states over my lifetime and have NEVER been asked to provide documentation for voter registration other than my drivers license number… If a state can’t verify your eligibility based on their electronic records, you would likely have to provide additional documentation, otherwise, they do all the verifying electronically…

There is no database of US Citizens.

WildRose · 2018-08-12T09:15:16.531Z

BlueTex:

Smyrna:

That’s what was required for me too…a drivers license and then went to a roll and checked my name off.

You do realize non-citizens can have drivers licenses in every state… How did they know you were eligible to vote?

No, not legally they can’t. The only way to obtain one here and in most states would be to use fraudulent documents.

WildRose · 2018-08-12T09:16:39.942Z

BlueTex:

WorldWatcher:

Just to be clear…

Are you suggesting that people shouldn’t be required to register in the jurisdiction in which they are a legal resident, even if that requires re-registering in the new jurisdiction?

Absolutely not and didn’t mean to imply that at all… I am suggesting that we should facilitate making is easy (and secure) to always have an accurate voter registration on file. The issue in Texas is the state doing everything they can to make it more likely that when people update or renew their drivers license online less likely that these people will have an accurate voter registration which eliminates them from voting since their ID will not match their drivers license.

When Texas implemented it’s new voter id requirement a few years ago I was required to cast a provisional vote because my license had the appropriate suffix but my registration didn’t have the suffix. I don’t typically use the suffix since my father has been dead for many years.

It’s extremely easy in Texas to register or update your registration without going to the DMV.

WildRose · 2018-08-12T09:17:18.417Z

reflechissez:

Smyrna:

reflechissez:

Huh? What does your house have to do with anything?

It’s a local landmark.

Which has nothing to do with citizenship.

It has everything to do with your residency in the district.

WildRose · 2018-08-12T09:25:07.072Z

If your license was issued by a “Real ID” compliant state your citizenship had to be verified to obtain the license.

STODR · 2018-08-12T10:31:49.117Z

Are you talking legal non-citizens or or all non-citizens? I believe only 12 states allow illegal citizens to get a license or permit.

WorldWatcher · 2018-08-12T10:48:11.034Z

WorldWatcher:

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What I find missing in the discusssion is the fact that California actually issues two types of Drivers Licenses: Real ID compliant and non-Real ID compliant.

(As noted previously, DMV does not register you to vote, they electronically transmit a request for voter registration which still must be checked prior to the person actually getting registered.)

REAL ID Compliant:
“Provide proof of identity, such as a certified U.S. birth certificate, valid U.S. passport, employment authorization document, permanent resident card or foreign passport with an approved form I-94.”

This means that someone does have to show proof of their legal status and provide relevant data, this data can then checked by the voter registration people to determine if someone is legal to register to vote. Since illegal aliens wouldn’t have the proper documentation or proof of legal status, this seems reasonable.

non-REAL ID Compliant:
People applying for a drivers license that is not Real ID compliant can’t apply to register to vote through DMV, they are actually issued a different type of license which is clearly marked as “Federal Limits Apply” meaning that proof of citizenship or legal status WAS NOT provided during the application process.

Apply for REAL ID - California DMV
News Releases - California DMV

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WildRose:

BigBear:

Smyrna:

Yeah…they have to “attest”…so there is that big obstacle blocking their way.

So, is what you wrote accurate? No, it’s not. Are people “registered to vote” automatically by virtue of getting a driver’s license? No, they’re not.

What is “blocking their way” is the normal voter registration process. Nothing different whatsoever, it’s simply an option to apply, and have the application filled out, still requiring the normal process, docs, and subject to normal verification.

So, in the future, if you write: “People in California are registered to vote when they get a driver’s license!” or similar, you’ll be doing what? That’s right, you’ll be lying.

Perhaps you should inform the state.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/california-motor-voter/

An individual is not registered to vote at DMV, their application to register to vote is transmitted to the CSOS.

From you link…

"If you indicate that you are eligible to vote, once you complete your DMV transaction online, by mail, or in person, your voter information is transmitted securely and electronically to the California Secretary of State. Once your eligibility to vote is determined, you will be registered to vote.

Individuals with AB 60 driver’s licenses are not eligible to participate in the California Motor Voter program and are not eligible to vote."

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BlueTex · 2018-08-12T11:31:16.687Z

WildRose:

Nor should we.

It’s federal law and we WILL have it soon…

BlueTex · 2018-08-12T11:34:09.340Z

WildRose:

No, not legally they can’t. The only way to obtain one here and in most states would be to use fraudulent documents.

Complete BS… Here are the requirements for a non-citizen DL in Texas…
https://www.dps.texas.gov/DriverLicense/LawfulStatusDLID.htm

See that fancy trick? It’s called google…

There are literally millions of drivers in the US who are non-citizens…

BlueTex · 2018-08-12T11:41:58.960Z

WildRose:

There is no database of US Citizens.

Sigh… Did anything in my reply mention a database of US citizens?

BlueTex · 2018-08-12T11:45:36.594Z

WildRose:

It’s extremely easy in Texas to register or update your registration without going to the DMV.

It’s clearly not and does not comply with federal law…
https://www.mystatesman.com/news/crime--law/texas-objects-proposed-motor-voter-fixes/2rqLZABiWSplmMkB6cva3J/

LMAO… If you call filling out a form online, then PRINTING the form and MAILING the form easy…

WorldWatcher · 2018-08-12T12:14:25.034Z

BlueTex:

WildRose:

It’s extremely easy in Texas to register or update your registration without going to the DMV.

It’s clearly not and does not comply with federal law…
https://www.mystatesman.com/news/crime--law/texas-objects-proposed-motor-voter-fixes/2rqLZABiWSplmMkB6cva3J/

LMAO… If you call filling out a form online, then PRINTING the form and MAILING the form easy…

May not comply with federal law…

But ya, printing a form and mailing it in is easy.

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BlueTex · 2018-08-12T12:18:19.890Z

WorldWatcher:

May not comply with federal law…

But ya, printing a form and mailing it in is easy.

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Yet I can update my drivers license online easily without printing a form… It’s almost like they are trying to make changing voter registration difficult for some reason…

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-08-12T12:26:44.958Z

I’ll be honest, I don’t even keep stamps at my house anymore. Why should I? I never need them.

BlueTex · 2018-08-12T12:30:00.616Z

CaughtInTheMiddle:

I’ll be honest, I don’t even keep stamps at my house anymore. Why should I? I never need them.

It ticks me off when I run into the occasional business that want me to FAX something to them… I take a picture of the document with my mobile phone and email it to them…

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-08-12T12:31:16.930Z

BlueTex:

CaughtInTheMiddle:

I’ll be honest, I don’t even keep stamps at my house anymore. Why should I? I never need them.

It ticks me off when I run into the occasional business that want me to FAX something to them… I take a picture of the document with my mobile phone and email it to them…

Some my clients still have fax machines. Whenever I’m at their offices it’s like a journey back to the 1900s.

BlueTex · 2018-08-12T12:32:49.072Z

CaughtInTheMiddle:

Some my clients still have fax machines. Whenever I’m at their offices it’s like a journey back to the 1900s.

Dot matrix printers as well?