If you think that a group can be fairly defined by the worst person in the group, the worst person in your group is you

Camp · 2021-01-17T14:25:07.714Z

Mostly should be unquestionably.

It does appear to be a manipulation attempt that was caught…debating the source as input or process is disingenuous.

Bill.in.PA · 2021-01-17T14:26:39.110Z

My preference would be to go to manually marked paper ballots, and any machine for counting the ballots should be similar to microwave oven in its intelligence. Random manual audits would verify the tallies. No voting machines should have any capability connecting to the internet and there would be no capability to change any software.

Election totals should be checked manually. Totals should be posted on the internet for each voting location.

For a detailed report on the vulnerabilities of existing systems see:

media.defcon.org

voting-village-report-defcon27.pdf

3.77 MB

SixFoot · 2021-01-17T14:30:15.580Z

According to Don Lemon’s view, everyone who voted for the kid sniffer…

Round and round we go.

gooddad409 · 2021-01-17T14:33:11.319Z

Bill.in.PA:

My preference would be to go to manually marked paper ballots, and any machine for counting the ballots should be similar to microwave oven in its intelligence. Random manual audits would verify the tallies. No voting machines should have any capability connecting to the internet and there would be no capability to change any software.

Election totals should be checked manually. Totals should be posted on the internet for each voting location.

For a detailed report on the vulnerabilities of existing systems see:
https://media.defcon.org/DEF%20CON%2027/voting-village-report-defcon27.pdf

Paper ballots and legitimate voter ID’s.

Camp · 2021-01-17T14:35:21.019Z

Speed up the process and counting.

It should be a smaller window to vote by mail or in person by early voting. Dragging the process out encourages ballot harvesting which is where I think the 2020 election was tainted and unprovable.

WuWei · 2021-01-17T14:36:00.244Z

Bill.in.PA:

Do you agree with the response from Scott Adams?

You might want to add who Scott Adams is in your OP.

No, I don’t agree with his response. Groups and individuals are two different things. Groups require membership and membership requires acceptance - both ways.

If an individual joins a group, he accepts being jointly responsible for the actions and values of the group - as long as he is a member. If he rejects the values, he has to reject the group.

The same holds true for the group. If it allows individuals into the group, it assumes a responsibility to police the individual members of the group in accordance with the values of the group. If it allows bad actors to continue to represent the group, then yes the group becomes “bad”.

It is an association thing. Membership is a group requires adherence to the values of the group.

So he does not have a “linguistic kill shot”.

The onus to “stop it” is on the group first. And if they don’t, to reject, denounce, disassociate and isolate.

If they do it in the group’s name and the group does not act, then the group did it.

And fair has nothing to do with anything.

That is part of the group dynamic.

Sknyluv · 2021-01-17T14:37:41.962Z

Camp:

Mostly should be unquestionably.

It does appear to be a manipulation attempt that was caught…debating the source as input or process is disingenuous.

From my reading of the story, it doesn’t appear the error was a deliberate attempt of fraud but just human error.

Detroit Free Press

Antrim vote glitch: Expert shares how county mistakenly flipped from red to blue

The Department of State said human error by the clerk in updating software, not related to the counting, was the problem.

gooddad409 · 2021-01-17T14:40:09.630Z

Camp:

Speed up the process and counting.

It should be a smaller window to vote by mail or in person by early voting. Dragging the process out encourages ballot harvesting which is where I think the 2020 election was tainted and unprovable.

Ballot harvesting should be illegal nationwide. Either show up to vote or prove you have a legitimate reason for the absentee ballot like it used to be.

I think a great deal of what happened was provable but the courts didn’t even want to hear the evidence.

Libs imo want to change nothing. End justifies the means and all that nonsense.

In any event i go back to Lemon being the worst person in any room.

Camp · 2021-01-17T14:41:12.214Z

Appearance counts and it APPEARS quite suspicious…We can read that it was an error…we cannot read the mind of the person who made the error.

So this does make the question(s) sincere and relevant.

PurpnGold · 2021-01-17T14:41:30.371Z

Smyrna:

I could post an example of a Dominion voting machine changing 6,000 votes from Trump…to Biden and it wouldn’t matter?

I would love to examine the source code of those machines… do you have it?

Camp · 2021-01-17T14:42:57.712Z

There will be no quarter given at the federal level with the D in charge.

This is all on the states to shore the processes back up…PA among them.

Smyrna · 2021-01-17T14:44:27.989Z

PurpnGold:

I would love to examine the source code of those machines… do you have it?

If you understand it, you also then would have a better understanding of how to access it…and would know, that’s not through me…but you obviously, by your question…don’t…and so…I’m not impressed.

WuWei · 2021-01-17T14:46:21.867Z

Camp:

This is all on the states to shore the processes back up…PA among them.

Do you think they will?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/urgency-mounts-for-new-voting-rights-bill/ar-BB1cOBeM

Sknyluv · 2021-01-17T14:46:32.796Z

Camp:

Appearance counts and it APPEARS quite suspicious…We can read that it was an error…we cannot read the mind of the person who made the error.

So this does make the question(s) sincere and relevant.

Fine. Regardless. It got caught. The system worked.

PurpnGold · 2021-01-17T14:46:37.768Z

Smyrna:

If you understand it, you also then would have a better understanding of how to access it…and would know, that’s not through me…but you obviously, by your question…don’t…and so…I’m not impressed.

Oh I do code reviews frequently. The only way ANYONE would know something nefarious happen on those machines would be after reviewing the code and audit trails.

So have you or anyone else you listen to, reviewed the code?

WuWei · 2021-01-17T14:47:40.663Z

Get back on topic please. This is not a rehash of voter fraud.

Camp · 2021-01-17T14:51:19.068Z

Not with Wolf as Governor, he will veto and over-ride is not quite there.

Next Governor will be R, shutdowns were clearly now political. This will be 2022 election, not far off.

WuWei · 2021-01-17T14:53:28.972Z

Camp:

Not with Wolf as Governor, he will veto and over-ride is not quite there.

Next Governor will be R, shutdowns were clearly now political. This will be 2022 election, not far off.

It will be a national government law.

SpacemanSpiff · 2021-01-17T15:23:23.889Z

Golly gee, does this mean all the “The democratic party now belongs to AOC!” comments are gonna disappear?

WuWei · 2021-01-17T15:25:44.546Z

SpacemanSpiff:

Golly gee, does this mean all the “The democratic party now belongs to AOC!” comments are gonna disappear?

No. Not as long as she is over amplified by the media.

You might want to get used to her and her ilk, she’s just getting started. Ayanna Pressly is inching up as well.